Unusual speed camera position?
Discussion
First up, yes I got caught. Held my hands up, and have sent the paperwork off.
I'd never noticed any average speed cameras before but obviously now I've taken note of them and their position seems strange.
This is just outside Chester and the 1st one is on your lane and points towards the front of your vehicle as you leave the city in a 30mph zone:
Then less than a mile later, the 2nd one is on the other lane and points in the opposite direction to the 1st one, towards the rear of you vehcile as you pass it, but outside of the 30mph zone:
I'm sure all the math adds up for time/distance/speed etc but that 2nd camera being out of the 30mph zone seems strange? I'd guess it registers where the white car is in the image above.
Here it is when heading back into the city - you can see how it's in the 40mph zone and not the 30mph zone:
Locations for ref:
Anyone know why they would do that? Plenty more poles for them to mount the camera off.
I'd never noticed any average speed cameras before but obviously now I've taken note of them and their position seems strange.
This is just outside Chester and the 1st one is on your lane and points towards the front of your vehicle as you leave the city in a 30mph zone:
Then less than a mile later, the 2nd one is on the other lane and points in the opposite direction to the 1st one, towards the rear of you vehcile as you pass it, but outside of the 30mph zone:
I'm sure all the math adds up for time/distance/speed etc but that 2nd camera being out of the 30mph zone seems strange? I'd guess it registers where the white car is in the image above.
Here it is when heading back into the city - you can see how it's in the 40mph zone and not the 30mph zone:
Locations for ref:
Anyone know why they would do that? Plenty more poles for them to mount the camera off.
I too suspect they aren't "average speed cameras" but could be wrong.
Never known them straddle different speed zones.
When some were set up on the A17 several years ago there used to be several short D/C sections in the section.
The signage for these was then changed to "60" rather than NSL just to make the speed calculation easier.
Never known them straddle different speed zones.
When some were set up on the A17 several years ago there used to be several short D/C sections in the section.
The signage for these was then changed to "60" rather than NSL just to make the speed calculation easier.
Windymiller said:
...you can see how it's in the 40mph zone and not the 30mph zone:
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You may have found a new mounting for average cameras as they do look yellow.
Needs investigating,
Can you provide closeups of each camera please ?
Is this one end?
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.180264,-2.837661...
The cameras weren't there in June 2023.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.180264,-2.837661...
The cameras weren't there in June 2023.
Racing Newt said:
I think you will find, on consideration, that they are not average speed cameras, google for a picture of that type.
They are average speed cameras. That's not an ANPR.https://www.chesterstandard.co.uk/news/23981499.av...
December 2023.
Similar in Stewartsby, Bedfordshire for years. Expect to see them all over the place.
Evanivitch said:
They are average speed cameras.
https://www.chesterstandard.co.uk/news/23981499.av...
Expect to see them all over the place.
They say "Making Cheshire’s roads safer is a priority" but are average speed cameras saving lives, or leading to more deaths?https://www.chesterstandard.co.uk/news/23981499.av...
Expect to see them all over the place.
They could prove their effect simply by running scientific trials,
but they point blank refuse to run such trials.
https://speedcamerareport.co.uk/scientific-trials/
The evidence they do produce is of a shockingly poor standard.
They then hope that most of the public will simply believe what they're told,
and they must be right as they've been getting away with it for 3 decades now!
Dave Finney said:
Windymiller said:
...you can see how it's in the 40mph zone and not the 30mph zone:
.
You may have found a new mounting for average cameras as they do look yellow.
Needs investigating,
Can you provide closeups of each camera please ?
Dave Finney said:
Is this one end?
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.180264,-2.837661...
The cameras weren't there in June 2023.
Yeah that’s the one. I wasn’t aware they’d installed them. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.180264,-2.837661...
The cameras weren't there in June 2023.
Krikkit said:
I live about 10 minutes from here, it was in the local news that they'd put these in, along with the fresh signage. Definitely an average zone.
Me as well. Signage seems reasonably clear, which to me seems more important than distinguishing between camera types.In fact given the tendency for some people to brake hard when they spot the camera, perhaps visible signs and hard to spot cameras are better.
Dave Finney said:
They say "Making Cheshire’s roads safer is a priority" but are average speed cameras saving lives, or leading to more deaths?
They could prove their effect simply by running scientific trials,
but they point blank refuse to run such trials.
https://speedcamerareport.co.uk/scientific-trials/
The evidence they do produce is of a shockingly poor standard.
They then hope that most of the public will simply believe what they're told,
and they must be right as they've been getting away with it for 3 decades now!
Stand 10m in front of a car travelling at 20 mph. Then repeat with a car at 30mph. Please report back.They could prove their effect simply by running scientific trials,
but they point blank refuse to run such trials.
https://speedcamerareport.co.uk/scientific-trials/
The evidence they do produce is of a shockingly poor standard.
They then hope that most of the public will simply believe what they're told,
and they must be right as they've been getting away with it for 3 decades now!
You can tell it's an average speed camera from that cut-out circle shape of the mount with the two triangular bits (I've never understood if it's supposed to represent something, or they've just perpetually copied the random original design from the first average speed setup on Lumbertubs Way in Northampton). You only ever see that shape on average speed cameras.
Edited by outnumbered on Tuesday 28th May 18:26
BlindedByTheLights said:
They’ve just put some on the main road next to our village, totally unnecessary 30mph limit but that’s another issue. The ones here are on silver poles not yellow so people don’t realise they are there. It’s all about road safety remember.
IIRC pole colour denotes council backed rather than police backed....... Could be the other way round, but that is what it is.E-bmw said:
BlindedByTheLights said:
They’ve just put some on the main road next to our village, totally unnecessary 30mph limit but that’s another issue. The ones here are on silver poles not yellow so people don’t realise they are there. It’s all about road safety remember.
IIRC pole colour denotes council backed rather than police backed....... Could be the other way round, but that is what it is.Evanivitch said:
Dave Finney said:
They say "Making Cheshire’s roads safer is a priority" but are average speed cameras saving lives, or leading to more deaths?
They could prove their effect simply by running scientific trials,
but they point blank refuse to run such trials.
https://speedcamerareport.co.uk/scientific-trials/
The evidence they do produce is of a shockingly poor standard.
They then hope that most of the public will simply believe what they're told,
and they must be right as they've been getting away with it for 3 decades now!
Stand 10m in front of a car travelling at 20 mph. Then repeat with a car at 30mph. Please report back.They could prove their effect simply by running scientific trials,
but they point blank refuse to run such trials.
https://speedcamerareport.co.uk/scientific-trials/
The evidence they do produce is of a shockingly poor standard.
They then hope that most of the public will simply believe what they're told,
and they must be right as they've been getting away with it for 3 decades now!
The car could be going at 100mph and if the person is not stood in front of it they will be fine,
What's your poorly made point?
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