RE: Yellow Cameras Challenged
Monday 28th October 2002
Yellow Cameras Challenged
Can't we concentrate on the real issues instead of this nonsense?
Discussion
The scary bit is that they are serious. The other annoying thing is this quote from the Gov. Doc that Ted posted a link to earlier;-
EEEHHHH????? so pedestrians can't be forced, yet motorists can? ahhhh. Well that's nice to see no bias then. :sarcastic:
They also seriously want 5MPH limits so children can play on the roads. Apparently children playing are legitimate "road users" and have as much right, if not more than the tax paying motorist.
God help us all.
c
We cannot force people to use pedestrian crossings, but we can encourage them to do so if we provide them.
EEEHHHH????? so pedestrians can't be forced, yet motorists can? ahhhh. Well that's nice to see no bias then. :sarcastic:
They also seriously want 5MPH limits so children can play on the roads. Apparently children playing are legitimate "road users" and have as much right, if not more than the tax paying motorist.
God help us all.
c
Apparently children playing are legitimate "road users" and have as much right, if not more than the tax paying motorist.
They are?! What's the world coming to?? When I was little my mum would've knocked my head off if I'd played on the road... Okay, so not everyone has gardens. But what about play parks, school playgrounds, fields?
I was just reading a letter in a magazine from a woman who's campaigning for more speed cameras. Her motivation? Her son was killed by a drink-driver, travelling at 41 in a 30. So tell me exactly, how will more speed cameras help? They won't prevent deaths through drunken driving. And anyone who's that drunk won't be looking for cameras anyway??
I won't go on about it because that'd be preaching to the converted. But I've had steam coming out of my ears over this since I read it...
Doomed, doomed, we're all doomed.
It seems that common sense isnt going to prevail after all. Why is it that most of us well adjusted sensible types get our lifestyles curtailed left right and centre yet turn up to a committee meeting with a pair of underpants on your head and a couple of pencils up your nose and you can change government thinking.
They will get their way as sure as BLiar is a Marxist Lenninist.
Country, hell, handbasket.
:angry:
Matt.
It seems that common sense isnt going to prevail after all. Why is it that most of us well adjusted sensible types get our lifestyles curtailed left right and centre yet turn up to a committee meeting with a pair of underpants on your head and a couple of pencils up your nose and you can change government thinking.
They will get their way as sure as BLiar is a Marxist Lenninist.
Country, hell, handbasket.
:angry:
Matt.
The "Won't somebody think of the children" brigade are just going too far - I am incensed every time I read this crap and my blood boils. All motorists are guilty until proven innocent these days. Is there anything we can do about it (other than join and support the ABD) ? No, we have to lie down and roll over. I have debated this subject with tree huggers for ages, and like christian anti darwinists, they simply will not listen to any point of view other then their own.
Speed does not cause accidents - its the driver. End of
Train drivers better, then accidents will reduce.
No way on earth will they get the death toll down to 1000 - it just aint gonna happen, its stabilised (IIRC) at around this level now for the past several years.
Once again its emotion driven politics, rahter than sensibility. :resignedinStaffs: :sigh:
Train drivers better, then accidents will reduce.
No way on earth will they get the death toll down to 1000 - it just aint gonna happen, its stabilised (IIRC) at around this level now for the past several years.
Once again its emotion driven politics, rahter than sensibility. :resignedinStaffs: :sigh:
To quote :
Vicky Cann, Assistant Director of Transport 2000 said: “The Government has been backed into a corner by the motoring lobby over speed cameras. In no other area of criminal enforcement do criminals get warned that they might be prosecuted; so why are speeding motorists any different?
Wrong, wrong, wrongedy wrong
In shops etc, they have to clearly state that shoplifters will be prosecuted - otherwise it is not in clear display of the potential thieves and hence they dont know "right" from "wrong". Therefore this argument is flawed, incorrect and downright misleading.
This country is doomed and we are all going down with it... Doomed I say... Dont cross the moor (wrong film!).
On a serious note though, I am so tempted to adopt a different stance to these people. No longer am I prepared to just read it and accept it - I think that a more direct approach is needed to prevent these people inflicting their brand of control on the masses. This country is supposed to be about democracy and fair representation of the will of the people - it seems more like the imposition of a dictatorship when these loonies come out of the woodwork....
I wonder how many of them have speeding convictions? Might be worth finding out....
Cheers,
Paul
Vicky Cann, Assistant Director of Transport 2000 said: “The Government has been backed into a corner by the motoring lobby over speed cameras. In no other area of criminal enforcement do criminals get warned that they might be prosecuted; so why are speeding motorists any different?
Wrong, wrong, wrongedy wrong
In shops etc, they have to clearly state that shoplifters will be prosecuted - otherwise it is not in clear display of the potential thieves and hence they dont know "right" from "wrong". Therefore this argument is flawed, incorrect and downright misleading.
This country is doomed and we are all going down with it... Doomed I say... Dont cross the moor (wrong film!).
On a serious note though, I am so tempted to adopt a different stance to these people. No longer am I prepared to just read it and accept it - I think that a more direct approach is needed to prevent these people inflicting their brand of control on the masses. This country is supposed to be about democracy and fair representation of the will of the people - it seems more like the imposition of a dictatorship when these loonies come out of the woodwork....
I wonder how many of them have speeding convictions? Might be worth finding out....
Cheers,
Paul
Oh dear.
Looks like I'll have to start saving up for one of those sky car things....
www.moller.com/skycar/
Maybe I can cr4p on Ms Cann's head from it.
Dr C
Looks like I'll have to start saving up for one of those sky car things....
www.moller.com/skycar/
Maybe I can cr4p on Ms Cann's head from it.
Dr C
pbrettle said:
On a serious note though, I am so tempted to adopt a different stance to these people. No longer am I prepared to just read it and accept it - I think that a more direct approach is needed to prevent these people inflicting their brand of control on the masses. This country is supposed to be about democracy and fair representation of the will of the people - it seems more like the imposition of a dictatorship when these loonies come out of the woodwork....
But what?
I don't think any of these people actually care about bringing the accident rate down, or believe the 'Speed Kills' mantra, any more than we do.
The Govt pays lip service to road safety because they've realised it's a handy way of milking motorists for more and more tax. The likes of the 'Slower Speeds Initiative' are just anachronistic car-hating losers who'll seize on any opportunity to try and deprive us of our mobility; if they're not banging on about speed, they're opposing much-needed road expansion schemes, or spouting half-baked theories about global warming, or...
But I don't reckon it's all doom and gloom - just try bringing up the subject of speed cameras, company car tax, congestion charging, road toll proposals etc etc in the office or pub, and you'll find there are a lot of very angry people out there. I think - and hope - we're heading for the point where a critical mass of ordinary folk whose livelihood and quality of life depends on the car will say enough is enough. The British public are an intransigent lot on the whole, but will rebel once pushed too far - remember what happened to the poll tax, and look at how 400,000 countryside types organised themselves to march through London the other week. Vive la revolution!
The Govt pays lip service to road safety because they've realised it's a handy way of milking motorists for more and more tax. The likes of the 'Slower Speeds Initiative' are just anachronistic car-hating losers who'll seize on any opportunity to try and deprive us of our mobility; if they're not banging on about speed, they're opposing much-needed road expansion schemes, or spouting half-baked theories about global warming, or...
But I don't reckon it's all doom and gloom - just try bringing up the subject of speed cameras, company car tax, congestion charging, road toll proposals etc etc in the office or pub, and you'll find there are a lot of very angry people out there. I think - and hope - we're heading for the point where a critical mass of ordinary folk whose livelihood and quality of life depends on the car will say enough is enough. The British public are an intransigent lot on the whole, but will rebel once pushed too far - remember what happened to the poll tax, and look at how 400,000 countryside types organised themselves to march through London the other week. Vive la revolution!
ref:"In no other area of criminal enforcement do criminals get warned that they might be prosecuted; so why are speeding motorists any different?"
When other criminals are treated with the same viscious methods of pursuit, maybe we will take notice! After 9 invasions of my property in 22 years with little chance of catching the crooks, I get "angry"
Also, it also seems to be an invasion of our civil liberties
When other criminals are treated with the same viscious methods of pursuit, maybe we will take notice! After 9 invasions of my property in 22 years with little chance of catching the crooks, I get "angry"
Also, it also seems to be an invasion of our civil liberties
What revolution?
A few posts now and still no answer - apart from the ABD who are way over the top and stupidly anti New Labour - which alienates at least 1/3 of the population straight away 'cos they vote for them.
And I've still only ever seen one survey result on what people think of speed camera's. - 70% of AA members are in favour of them.
I say again - its the driving standards of the tossers who speed pass schools, through residential area's, cut people up, ignore signs, use their fog lamps etc etc that forces governments to TRY and do something. If Transport 2000 is not the way forward then SUGGEST A VIABLE ALTERNATIVE. Slowing people down at least reduces the problem - even if speed is not the overwhelming factor.
The report also states;
And I agree - it does. If we all drove sensibly around town and built up areas and caned it down quiet country lanes then there would be no problem. But we don't, do we?
A few posts now and still no answer - apart from the ABD who are way over the top and stupidly anti New Labour - which alienates at least 1/3 of the population straight away 'cos they vote for them.
And I've still only ever seen one survey result on what people think of speed camera's. - 70% of AA members are in favour of them.
I say again - its the driving standards of the tossers who speed pass schools, through residential area's, cut people up, ignore signs, use their fog lamps etc etc that forces governments to TRY and do something. If Transport 2000 is not the way forward then SUGGEST A VIABLE ALTERNATIVE. Slowing people down at least reduces the problem - even if speed is not the overwhelming factor.
The report also states;
Apparently speed also "destroys the quality of life of both urban and rural communities through intimidation, excessive noise
And I agree - it does. If we all drove sensibly around town and built up areas and caned it down quiet country lanes then there would be no problem. But we don't, do we?
plotloss said: Could we not have a national referendum on the matter?
Speed limits, training, calming measures the whole kit and kaboodle.
Matt.
Matt, with Britains love of voting it'd be a runaway victory 95% for the idiots as normqal pie and chips brit won't get off his arse to vote........ numpties and greenslime win again!
Bring on the revolution, bring back Guy Fawkes!
I've just been down the town hall to get information about a proposed reduction of speed limit. As the ABD website says, get copies of the map, schedule and statement of reasons.
The bloke was astonished that someone was requesting these items and didn't know if I was allowed to copy them.
The reason he didn't know - Seems that I'm the first person to have challenged a proposal.
Instead of complaining on here, why don't you get off your arse, find out your facts and complain to the right people.
The bloke was astonished that someone was requesting these items and didn't know if I was allowed to copy them.
The reason he didn't know - Seems that I'm the first person to have challenged a proposal.
Instead of complaining on here, why don't you get off your arse, find out your facts and complain to the right people.
I think the problem will get worse in the future. I think a lot of the people who are the greenies and anti-speed brigade are retired folk who no longer need to drive every day and are becoming more active in thier voicing of opinions because they've got bugger all else to do. As the population is getting older, these people will become a larger part of the population. I think we should redress democracy by removing the right to vote at retirement. People can't vote until they're 18, and probably start becoming a tax payer, so they should stop voting when they stop being a taxpayer. They should also stop having any opinion on anything...... - OK so it probably wouldn't work.
So all the Transport2000 club are driving around town at 5mph I think not, so the local councils are building road safty measures that protect children well again I think not. This is all politics and it's all about control which is the biggest and most singular object to any government. So are Labour fighting for control well you decide because at the end of the day it will not matter colour the speed cameras are. Perhap Transport2000 should advise the Police that they can stop and inpound a driver on the suspicion of speeding after all the customs men are doing something on the same lines?
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