M66 Crash - sentencing today

[Countdown]

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/2366501...

Another arrogant destroying a family's lives. My guess is 7 years tops and out in 4.

[littleredrooster]

Countdown said:

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/2366501...

Another arrogant destroying a family's lives. My guess is 7 years tops and out in 4.

12 years inside + 14 years disqualification according to the newspaper now.

[bucksmanuk]

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/2366501...

12 years imprisonment - bit of a warning sign there....
loads of similar previous apparently

[Countdown]

littleredrooster said:

12 years inside + 14 years disqualification according to the newspaper now.

Won't he get a one-third reduction for his early guilty plea, and also be released on license at the halfway point of his remaining sentence?

[bad company]

Countdown said:

littleredrooster said:

12 years inside + 14 years disqualification according to the newspaper now.

Won't he get a one-third reduction for his early guilty plea, and also be released on license at the halfway point of his remaining sentence?

I reckon the judge has that one right. I reckon the sentence is fair.

[vikingaero]

bad company said:

Countdown said:

littleredrooster said:

12 years inside + 14 years disqualification according to the newspaper now.

Won't he get a one-third reduction for his early guilty plea, and also be released on license at the halfway point of his remaining sentence?

I reckon the judge has that one right. I reckon the sentence is fair.

Hard to say when he will be released until we know the type of sentence imposed. He will be a parole case, so hopefuly unlikely to get parole at the first opportunity.

[Grumps.]

"The mitigating features are your age, you are still only 22, and lack of previous convictions, your obvious remorse, the positive way in which you have lived your life and PTSD."

Oh fk off. He knew exactly what he was doing and PTSD? Tough st.

[zarjaz1991]

What an utter tt.

I’m afraid as I’ve mentioned before, these very extreme cases should result in lifetime driving bans.

The prison sentence is…ok…but he should never be allowed back on the roads, he will simply do the same to someone else.

[zarjaz1991]

Grumps. said:

"The mitigating features are your age, you are still only 22, and lack of previous convictions, your obvious remorse, the positive way in which you have lived your life and PTSD."

Oh fk off. He knew exactly what he was doing and PTSD? Tough st.

PTSD resulting from his OWN ACTIONS!
It’s not like he fought in a war or something.

[CanAm]

Grumps. said:

"The mitigating features are your age, you are still only 22, and lack of previous convictions, your obvious remorse, the positive way in which you have lived your life and PTSD."

Oh fk off. He knew exactly what he was doing and PTSD? Tough st.

Quotes from the trial report:-
"There were dangerous manoeuvres, there was also prolonged use of a mobile phone"

The judge is saying Iqbal received a warning after being caught "racing" an Audi while in a Golf

"You are 22 and obtained your licence in 2019, your license was revoked after you were caught driving without insurance but you subsequently took a retest."

[Aretnap]

Countdown said:

Won't he get a one-third reduction for his early guilty plea...?

If so then it is already reflected in the 12 year sentence which was passed - ie the judge must have started from 18 years and reduced it by a third (assuming he pleaded guilty as early as possible).

He doesn't get a further reduction to 8 years because of the guilty plea.

[MikeM6]

zarjaz1991 said:

PTSD resulting from his OWN ACTIONS!
It’s not like he fought in a war or something.

I think most people would suffer PTSD in trying to come to terms with doing something as awful as that.

If I killed someone driving like that (or in any manner I guess), I would be traumatised and be unable to reconcile what I had done.

If he has PTSD, then that is a good sign. If he did not care and was not traumatised by his actions, then that would be far worse for all

[105.4]

Countdown said:

littleredrooster said:

12 years inside + 14 years disqualification according to the newspaper now.

Won't he get a one-third reduction for his early guilty plea, and also be released on license at the halfway point of his remaining sentence?

Nope.

On the assumption that the reporting is correct, the Judge will have already factored in any discounts for an early guilty plea before passing sentence.

That 12 is a 12, not a 12 with 1/3 off (totalling 8).

So that’s six years behind the door for driving like a bellend.

[Countdown]

Aretnap said:

Countdown said:

Won't he get a one-third reduction for his early guilty plea...?

If so then it is already reflected in the 12 year sentence which was passed - ie the judge must have started from 18 years and reduced it by a third (assuming he pleaded guilty as early as possible).

He doesn't get a further reduction to 8 years because of the guilty plea.

Thanks for clarifying.

I still think the 6 years he'll likely serve is a joke.

[Eyersey1234]

MikeM6 said:

I think most people would suffer PTSD in trying to come to terms with doing something as awful as that.

If I killed someone driving like that (or in any manner I guess), I would be traumatised and be unable to reconcile what I had done.

If he has PTSD, then that is a good sign. If he did not care and was not traumatised by his actions, then that would be far worse for all

Fair point though I have zero sympathy for him.

[Countdown]

MikeM6 said:

I think most people would suffer PTSD in trying to come to terms with doing something as awful as that.

If I killed someone driving like that (or in any manner I guess), I would be traumatised and be unable to reconcile what I had done.

If he has PTSD, then that is a good sign. If he did not care and was not traumatised by his actions, then that would be far worse for all

What's the bet that the PTSD is due to him worrying about what's going to happen to him rather than any concern for the family and the kids?

[Castrol for a knave]

He's part of a mounting pile of excrement who drive like this.

Here's his driving, caught as he filmed it himself.

https://www.gmp.police.uk/news/greater-manchester/...

PTSD - he can go fk himself.

[ChocolateFrog]

Sentence seems reasonable for once.

[agtlaw]

105.4 said:

Nope.

On the assumption that the reporting is correct, the Judge will have already factored in any discounts for an early guilty plea before passing sentence.

That 12 is a 12, not a 12 with 1/3 off (totalling 8).

So that’s six years behind the door for driving like a bellend.

8 years. Not 6.

[98elise]

MikeM6 said:

zarjaz1991 said:

PTSD resulting from his OWN ACTIONS!
It’s not like he fought in a war or something.

I think most people would suffer PTSD in trying to come to terms with doing something as awful as that.

If I killed someone driving like that (or in any manner I guess), I would be traumatised and be unable to reconcile what I had done.

If he has PTSD, then that is a good sign. If he did not care and was not traumatised by his actions, then that would be far worse for all

Good post. I would hope that anyone who killed another person through there own stupidity would be tramautised by it, I know I would.