Girlfriend speeding @ 42 in 30 zone
Discussion
If she genuinely cannot say who was driving and there were other people that may have been at the time of the offence and they are willing to stand in court and testify under oath that they were in the car at the time of the offence, but cannot remember who was driving at the time, then it would be worth the trip to court and plead not guilty.
You will not avoid a court appearance just by stating on the form asking the drivers name that you do not know. They are not dropped for that reason as everyone would do it.
If you are in the situation that you genuinely do not know, then there is a defence, but it requires attendance at court to explain to the magistrates.
The form also states that you are required to inform the Police if you have any knowledge as to the identity of the driver at the time. To fail to do so will bring a fail to notify driver summons to your door.
If she was exceeding the limit, it is far easier to pay the fine and accept the points than end up in a conspiracy to pervert justice just for the sake of £60 and 3 points.
Remember that if you are to make up a story, the more that are involved, the more difficult it is for each to get right, particularly when under intense pressure like standing in a witness box in court.
You will not avoid a court appearance just by stating on the form asking the drivers name that you do not know. They are not dropped for that reason as everyone would do it.
If you are in the situation that you genuinely do not know, then there is a defence, but it requires attendance at court to explain to the magistrates.
The form also states that you are required to inform the Police if you have any knowledge as to the identity of the driver at the time. To fail to do so will bring a fail to notify driver summons to your door.
If she was exceeding the limit, it is far easier to pay the fine and accept the points than end up in a conspiracy to pervert justice just for the sake of £60 and 3 points.
Remember that if you are to make up a story, the more that are involved, the more difficult it is for each to get right, particularly when under intense pressure like standing in a witness box in court.
tone said: Without wanting to come across as sanctimonious or 'holier than thou', and recognising that we don't know the circs - WTF was she doing at 42 in a 30?
My response would be take the rap and learn from it.
It happens - all the time. Jeeez - there are some 30's round here that should be NSL. Appropriate and safe, just caught by a tax generator.
[quoteThe only drivers safe from prosecution/persecution are the cops. 
No we are not. Most of our vehicles are now fitted with black box flight recorders. You even have a personal electronic key which requires the driver to swipe the immobiliser before the engine will start, This denotes who was driving it until the next fob swipes it. They can down load everything about the vehicle operation from these machines and do so. They even tell the control room where the vehicle is at any precise time through a tracker system and with the new radio system that is being installed, will be able to open up the transmission equipment in the vehicle and listen to the conversation within the vehicle without the occupants knowing about it.
I have many colleagues that have points on their licences from driving their own vehicles carelessly through speed trap areas and some who have been caught in marked vehicles without an excuse.
Others have ben convicted of driving offences when they are involved in RTAs attending emergency incidents where they are clearly at fault.
If the PCA can have a good go at a copper and get him sorted, they will, as they percieve that it is good for public confidence in the PCA.
So your obvious misinformation about how the police are treated differntly to any one else is correct, but not in they way that you perceived.
No we are not. Most of our vehicles are now fitted with black box flight recorders. You even have a personal electronic key which requires the driver to swipe the immobiliser before the engine will start, This denotes who was driving it until the next fob swipes it. They can down load everything about the vehicle operation from these machines and do so. They even tell the control room where the vehicle is at any precise time through a tracker system and with the new radio system that is being installed, will be able to open up the transmission equipment in the vehicle and listen to the conversation within the vehicle without the occupants knowing about it.
I have many colleagues that have points on their licences from driving their own vehicles carelessly through speed trap areas and some who have been caught in marked vehicles without an excuse.
Others have ben convicted of driving offences when they are involved in RTAs attending emergency incidents where they are clearly at fault.
If the PCA can have a good go at a copper and get him sorted, they will, as they percieve that it is good for public confidence in the PCA.
So your obvious misinformation about how the police are treated differntly to any one else is correct, but not in they way that you perceived.
Hi,
My girlfriend was caught speeding @ 42 in a 30mph zone. Is it worth saying that she didn't know who was driving the car at the time (is she likely to get away with that story) - or just owning up.
Does she feel lucky ?
Take the offer and it costs £60. Wait too long and you can expect £120 in court. If she starts this story then, miraculously remembers, we start at £200 and rise rapidly, the more obvious and deceitful it becomes.
Consider also at 42, disqualification is very unlikely (3 or 4 pp), but failure to disclose is a stronger risk of DQ. If in Scotland, confiscation of the vehicle can also be applied in these types of offence.
Finally an SP30 is generally ignored by all as one of those things, after all DETR figures estimate over 40% of all drivers on the road at any one time are speeding. A conviction for fraud or dishonesty, such as this, stays on record longer and will have more effect, e.g. limits ability to obtain other licences etc. where must be shown fit and proper person, etc.
As I say, does she feel lucky ?
My advice: NEVER post anything in relation to a potential court case that may be used against you...
If you had written a "hypothetical" question, it would have been better. But then who reads internet websites??!
I like to challenge the system. Itis possible, it is stressful. And you can win sometimes too.
Ask for the photo's.
C
If you had written a "hypothetical" question, it would have been better. But then who reads internet websites??!
I like to challenge the system. Itis possible, it is stressful. And you can win sometimes too.
Ask for the photo's.
C
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