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Peugeot, together with research agency, will test
satellite system for slowing down speeding cars
The French government and automaker Peugeot are preparing to test a system that would slow down speeding vehicles automatically, using electronic signals sent from a satellite.
According to Auto Plus, a European automotive magazine, the driver's accelerator would become inoperable when the deceleration signal is sent. An onboard computer – linked to a global-positioning-satellite (GPS) device – would control the vehicle's fuel supply. Drivers exceeding the speed limit either would see a warning message, or suddenly discover that the automatic system had been activated.
Two vehicles will be tested this week by researchers at France's National Institute for Research into Transport and Safety. Then, during the next six months, 20 other specially outfitted vehicles – 10 Peugeot and 10 Renault models – will be used by 100 different motorists in the Paris suburbs.
Drivers will be able to override the automatic deceleration feature by kicking down hard on the gas pedal.
The overall cost for the project is US$9.9 million, and the technology could be rolled out for mass utilization by 2010. (The Straits Times-Malaysia)
satellite system for slowing down speeding cars
The French government and automaker Peugeot are preparing to test a system that would slow down speeding vehicles automatically, using electronic signals sent from a satellite.
According to Auto Plus, a European automotive magazine, the driver's accelerator would become inoperable when the deceleration signal is sent. An onboard computer – linked to a global-positioning-satellite (GPS) device – would control the vehicle's fuel supply. Drivers exceeding the speed limit either would see a warning message, or suddenly discover that the automatic system had been activated.
Two vehicles will be tested this week by researchers at France's National Institute for Research into Transport and Safety. Then, during the next six months, 20 other specially outfitted vehicles – 10 Peugeot and 10 Renault models – will be used by 100 different motorists in the Paris suburbs.
Drivers will be able to override the automatic deceleration feature by kicking down hard on the gas pedal.
The overall cost for the project is US$9.9 million, and the technology could be rolled out for mass utilization by 2010. (The Straits Times-Malaysia)
Look on our Gov's site. Done it already.
www.roads.dft.gov.uk/vehicle/vse/research/evsc/index.htm
>> Edited by jmorgan on Monday 14th October 11:34
www.roads.dft.gov.uk/vehicle/vse/research/evsc/index.htm
>> Edited by jmorgan on Monday 14th October 11:34
smifffy said: The good news is:
Can you imagine Peter Wheeler *ever* installing this type of crap?
Yeah right
The question is whether a car built after XX/XX/XX will be road legal without one. It'll be part of the MOT that it has to work. And just like cats today you can bet third party manufacturers will make ones where its easy to get at the system "for maintenance purposes" you understand.
It is entirely possible to build a system such that it is connected to the immobiliser, however, and is impossible to bypass. i.e. No Sat Signal = No Go.
Personally I would find it *useful* to have a feature whereby the speed limit was shown on an instrument in the car and the *cruise control* could link up to it.
If I grab the controls, though, I expect the car to do what I tell it.
M@H said: Hmm.. Imagine with some creative hacking, being able to disable the Numpty in front though
would be very posible m8
as for the ider iv never heard such a stupid idear in my life.
go round a bent a a few miles an hour over limet. power cuts out you go wide and smackstrait into a artic comeing the other way. great
worse idear they had since the madness with leg protectors on bikes.
mondeoman snip >Why don't they just build better f@ckin trains????? and buses?? and leave us alone.
Exactly.
Or overtaking and you need the extra umpph if the circumstances change when overtaking.
I dont think it will come in in the near future ie under 10years, but with the way of tagging grannies and then crims and then normal people.
Why not got the fing whole hog and tag everyone, and then fine you if you go over the speed limit, passenger or drivers alike, trains dont go very fast now anyway, and you apply for a pass to fly.
What a namby pamby world we live in.
Exactly.
Or overtaking and you need the extra umpph if the circumstances change when overtaking.
I dont think it will come in in the near future ie under 10years, but with the way of tagging grannies and then crims and then normal people.
Why not got the fing whole hog and tag everyone, and then fine you if you go over the speed limit, passenger or drivers alike, trains dont go very fast now anyway, and you apply for a pass to fly.
What a namby pamby world we live in.
I was shocked to find this in the in tray of my local MP when I was most recently conducting a clandestine counter arse banditry midnight recce therein.
"DETR Investigation into the Viability of Extensive Individual Citizen Control"
It included hundreds of rafts of Orwellianesque limitations. Here are some of the more eye-opening (watering) proposals.
"Using GPS, it is now possible to improve our excretia processing rates by limiting the amount people dump.
For example, any undesirables detected carrying a car mag into the WC can have their large intestinal tract electronically squeezed coutresy of a new bio-robot which we can implement at birth, thanks to a well known Scandanavian manufacturer with a real zeal for colonic ABS.
We can predict the volume of excrement on a local, regional and national basis, hour by hour, by retasking our spy satellites on the places most likely to contribute to excessive excretia ejection. Using thermal imaging, individuals who eat in restuarants where hot food is served - Indian, Chinese, traditional pubs even - can be easily traced home where the legions of excrement standards officers can pounce on them for incitement to cause unnecessary excretia.
This last point has a double bonus because these social misfits are by definition unlikely to be vegans and almost certainly meat eaters; thus, as heterosexuals they can be arrested anyway for violating the laws of sexual bias against lesbian otters and the condoning of violent slaughter of innocent, cuddly little fluffykins.
Also, we can determine an absolute relationship between the propensity of a Siberian hamster to dump it's load and a Tory to drive excessively in a nasty symbol of western enslavement on the M62 at 3AM in the morning at 145. We haven't yet worked out exactly what this is but we're sure our colleagues in other departments can help with this over a nice bottle of something red at the next Islington soiree.
Re SPECS cameras: the department now has conclusive proof that these valuable tools of societal order positively contribute to reducing a whole strain of pugnacious bowel disorders. Recent data actually received, illustrated precisely how a TVR driver who was crusing at 100mph, on the brink of passing wind with 3 almighty trumpets actively witheld the second passage of sulphurous odour, as his buttocks clenched simultaneously in direct response to his decelerative motion as the cameras were noticed.
GATSOs too have a similar impact although the bodily fluid more likely to secrete is less likely to be anal in origin. The department is currently reassessing which waste product it intends to restrict most actively.
There is currently a void in policy here but it seems clear that any vehicles capable of sub 15 seconds' acceleration to 30mph would be considered dangerous to the population generally, as this rate of advance would in most cases casue any passengers - or more importantly bus spotters - to immediately suffer urinary incontinence and thus the excretia/urine ratio becomes very much an 'on-message' issue.
Ultimately, we must stop them poohing but wee is an issue that simply won't wash away without some serious analysis."
The final conclusion of the report was simple.
"Our policy message has GOT to address the chief concern.
- Excrement is bad but speed is worse: speed kills but people kill; it's a bit of a p1sser but let's kill people."
It is time to declare war on this talk of Stalinist dictatorship. The day I have to put a speed limiter in any of my cars is the day I take up arms against the instruments of my restriction.
Holy sh1t, ladies and gentlemen, this should scare the living crap out of anybody with free will and a passion for our shared love, driving.
If we let these malevolent forces impinge on us much more, you'd better be ready for a serious round of arse pluggery.
My response to these outright bastards is the same as most of you. Time to do a CarZee: Westminster needs some letters and Lord March better get into politics, fast.
In honour of this rant, I will be driving home at no less than 130. I suggest those of you with sufficient firepower do at least the same. And Domster, don't even talk to me if your figure is less than 140.
>> Edited by Derestrictor on Monday 14th October 16:19
>> Edited by Derestrictor on Monday 14th October 16:22
>> Edited by Derestrictor on Monday 14th October 16:24
"DETR Investigation into the Viability of Extensive Individual Citizen Control"
It included hundreds of rafts of Orwellianesque limitations. Here are some of the more eye-opening (watering) proposals.
"Using GPS, it is now possible to improve our excretia processing rates by limiting the amount people dump.
For example, any undesirables detected carrying a car mag into the WC can have their large intestinal tract electronically squeezed coutresy of a new bio-robot which we can implement at birth, thanks to a well known Scandanavian manufacturer with a real zeal for colonic ABS.
We can predict the volume of excrement on a local, regional and national basis, hour by hour, by retasking our spy satellites on the places most likely to contribute to excessive excretia ejection. Using thermal imaging, individuals who eat in restuarants where hot food is served - Indian, Chinese, traditional pubs even - can be easily traced home where the legions of excrement standards officers can pounce on them for incitement to cause unnecessary excretia.
This last point has a double bonus because these social misfits are by definition unlikely to be vegans and almost certainly meat eaters; thus, as heterosexuals they can be arrested anyway for violating the laws of sexual bias against lesbian otters and the condoning of violent slaughter of innocent, cuddly little fluffykins.
Also, we can determine an absolute relationship between the propensity of a Siberian hamster to dump it's load and a Tory to drive excessively in a nasty symbol of western enslavement on the M62 at 3AM in the morning at 145. We haven't yet worked out exactly what this is but we're sure our colleagues in other departments can help with this over a nice bottle of something red at the next Islington soiree.
Re SPECS cameras: the department now has conclusive proof that these valuable tools of societal order positively contribute to reducing a whole strain of pugnacious bowel disorders. Recent data actually received, illustrated precisely how a TVR driver who was crusing at 100mph, on the brink of passing wind with 3 almighty trumpets actively witheld the second passage of sulphurous odour, as his buttocks clenched simultaneously in direct response to his decelerative motion as the cameras were noticed.
GATSOs too have a similar impact although the bodily fluid more likely to secrete is less likely to be anal in origin. The department is currently reassessing which waste product it intends to restrict most actively.
There is currently a void in policy here but it seems clear that any vehicles capable of sub 15 seconds' acceleration to 30mph would be considered dangerous to the population generally, as this rate of advance would in most cases casue any passengers - or more importantly bus spotters - to immediately suffer urinary incontinence and thus the excretia/urine ratio becomes very much an 'on-message' issue.
Ultimately, we must stop them poohing but wee is an issue that simply won't wash away without some serious analysis."
The final conclusion of the report was simple.
"Our policy message has GOT to address the chief concern.
- Excrement is bad but speed is worse: speed kills but people kill; it's a bit of a p1sser but let's kill people."
It is time to declare war on this talk of Stalinist dictatorship. The day I have to put a speed limiter in any of my cars is the day I take up arms against the instruments of my restriction.
Holy sh1t, ladies and gentlemen, this should scare the living crap out of anybody with free will and a passion for our shared love, driving.
If we let these malevolent forces impinge on us much more, you'd better be ready for a serious round of arse pluggery.
My response to these outright bastards is the same as most of you. Time to do a CarZee: Westminster needs some letters and Lord March better get into politics, fast.
In honour of this rant, I will be driving home at no less than 130. I suggest those of you with sufficient firepower do at least the same. And Domster, don't even talk to me if your figure is less than 140.
>> Edited by Derestrictor on Monday 14th October 16:19
>> Edited by Derestrictor on Monday 14th October 16:22
>> Edited by Derestrictor on Monday 14th October 16:24
Still don't get this story, or any of the other related ones.... I esp. like the one about charging you if you travel in/out of cities by using GPS....
GPS signals come from satellites that are 11,000 miles above the earth. The signal, by the time it reaches the ground, is exceptionally weak, so weak that something simple such as leaves on a tree can block it out.
Now - for any of these systems to work properly they would
a) Have to always defer on the side of caution (GPS can sometimes get the wrong position, meaning your instantaneous speed could be massive
b) Get a GPS signal in the first place
Now - a simple, £1 tuned oscillator at the right frequency (or even close) put anywhere near the GPS antenna would disrupt the signal so much that it would never work. You wouldn't even need to put it near the antenna - just mearly somewhere near it.
How the hell therefore would they ensure that these systems kept working? What they going to do - stop people at random and check that they haven't blocked out the signal??? (a simple hidden switch would sort that out), rip you car apart looking for it.
It's a daft idea, and I can't believe that anyone actually believes they could turn it into something that works.
As for using it to charge for road usage - the "box" would need to have 2 inputs, one from the speedo, and one from a GPS antenna to work out if the car was moving, and where it was. However, if anyone has driven a GPS navigation system in central london you will know that it is very easy for it to "jump" from one road to the next when it can't get a GPS lock and is relying on it's speedo and gyro to keep track of the roads - on that basis you could appear to be in/out/in all the time.
Just what would they do if you disconnected the speedo input and wiped out the GPS signal????
Shush - some people.
J
GPS signals come from satellites that are 11,000 miles above the earth. The signal, by the time it reaches the ground, is exceptionally weak, so weak that something simple such as leaves on a tree can block it out.
Now - for any of these systems to work properly they would
a) Have to always defer on the side of caution (GPS can sometimes get the wrong position, meaning your instantaneous speed could be massive
b) Get a GPS signal in the first place
Now - a simple, £1 tuned oscillator at the right frequency (or even close) put anywhere near the GPS antenna would disrupt the signal so much that it would never work. You wouldn't even need to put it near the antenna - just mearly somewhere near it.
How the hell therefore would they ensure that these systems kept working? What they going to do - stop people at random and check that they haven't blocked out the signal??? (a simple hidden switch would sort that out), rip you car apart looking for it. It's a daft idea, and I can't believe that anyone actually believes they could turn it into something that works.
As for using it to charge for road usage - the "box" would need to have 2 inputs, one from the speedo, and one from a GPS antenna to work out if the car was moving, and where it was. However, if anyone has driven a GPS navigation system in central london you will know that it is very easy for it to "jump" from one road to the next when it can't get a GPS lock and is relying on it's speedo and gyro to keep track of the roads - on that basis you could appear to be in/out/in all the time.
Just what would they do if you disconnected the speedo input and wiped out the GPS signal????
Shush - some people.
J
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