I didnt know about new speed cam till i got caught
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Ok, I have been flashed by a fixed camera on the A505 Hitchin Road towards Luton and i was doing 50mph and the limit just 40mph.
I recieved the NIP a few days later and filled it in and sent it back etc, the only problem is that it was one of the new cameras that face you and record your speed on the approach opposed to the old style camera that records your speed after passing the camera.
Well im not from Luton and had never heard or seen anything of these type cameras before.
I was slowing down at the time and did pass the camera at 40mph but it was too late?
Im from Essex and pass hundreds of cameras every week but never come across these cameras that face you.
I suppose there is nothing i can do to help this situation, do i just sit back and take my 3 points and £60 fine?
How can they put these new cameras up and not warn you how they work?
I would never have been flashed had i of known they worked in this fashion!
Why is it the police have the knickname 'Filth' hmmm i wonder?
I recieved the NIP a few days later and filled it in and sent it back etc, the only problem is that it was one of the new cameras that face you and record your speed on the approach opposed to the old style camera that records your speed after passing the camera.
Well im not from Luton and had never heard or seen anything of these type cameras before.
I was slowing down at the time and did pass the camera at 40mph but it was too late?
Im from Essex and pass hundreds of cameras every week but never come across these cameras that face you.
I suppose there is nothing i can do to help this situation, do i just sit back and take my 3 points and £60 fine?
How can they put these new cameras up and not warn you how they work?
I would never have been flashed had i of known they worked in this fashion!
Why is it the police have the knickname 'Filth' hmmm i wonder?
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Ok, I have been flashed by a fixed camera on the A505 Hitchin Road towards Luton and i was doing 50mph and the limit just 40mph.
I recieved the NIP a few days later and filled it in and sent it back etc, the only problem is that it was one of the new cameras that face you and record your speed on the approach opposed to the old style camera that records your speed after passing the camera.
Well im not from Luton and had never heard or seen anything of these type cameras before.
I was slowing down at the time and did pass the camera at 40mph but it was too late?
Im from Essex and pass hundreds of cameras every week but never come across these cameras that face you.
I suppose there is nothing i can do to help this situation, do i just sit back and take my 3 points and £60 fine?
How can they put these new cameras up and not warn you how they work?
I would never have been flashed had i of known they worked in this fashion!
Why is it the police have the knickname 'Filth' hmmm i wonder?
im in luton as well the pics it takes are ushallsit so give it a go
One more the the cam is when you comeing in to luton
from hitchin.
no cam on the other side but they try to get a few now and the by hiding in the tree`s on the other side.
****ers tryed that with me , shame for them i did not work
sent the nip back telling them what hole to poke it up.
>> Edited by outlaw on Wednesday 9th October 01:53
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Well im not from Luton and had never heard or seen anything of these type cameras before. Im from Essex.
How can they put these new cameras up and not warn you how they work?
I would never have been flashed had i of known they worked in this fashion!
Sorry but it's getting late !! They put up speed limit signs, and you know how they work, isn't that warning enough.
Look on the bright side, now you do know how they work and you still won't be flashed.
different counties use different type of speed cameras, bedfordshire use front facing types....most others I'ver driven in seem to use rear view GATSO, as opposed to the Truvelo front facing.....front facing are no good at catching bikers, Beds bib most not be too bothered about speeding bikers.
yep - we'll all be much safer when we're falling asleep at the wheel, trying to maintain a constant .01mph below the speed limit everywhere we go.
jazzyjeff said: The sooner they get rid of spot cameras and have constant speed sensors instead, the safer we'll all be
Everything will be so much better when everyone is so convinced that they're safe and they no longer have to think about what they do on the roads.. just stick to the arbitrary and ancient speed limit which is inappropriate (either too low or too high) 75% of the day.
Sorry CarZee but you're acting like a total womble.
It's people not thinking about they're driving (including paying attention to the speed limits) that causes accidents.
The law is there for the lowest common denominator (you know, the thick majority of the population and those with a patience/attention span of 0.1 secs). It's very arrogant of some people to assume they are so much better drivers than the rest of us that they can make up their own rules and laws on driving when these people are usually those with the least ability.
I suggest you go for the advanced driving test - you'll probably find you get around a lot more quickly without having to break any limits or scare anyone else.
It's people not thinking about they're driving (including paying attention to the speed limits) that causes accidents.
The law is there for the lowest common denominator (you know, the thick majority of the population and those with a patience/attention span of 0.1 secs). It's very arrogant of some people to assume they are so much better drivers than the rest of us that they can make up their own rules and laws on driving when these people are usually those with the least ability.
I suggest you go for the advanced driving test - you'll probably find you get around a lot more quickly without having to break any limits or scare anyone else.
Sorry Jeff, but I think you're talking out of your arse.
Do you not think that if we can just stick our foot to the floor and let the computer govern the speed we drive at, we'll be *even more* inclined to drive without paying attention?
The more control and responsibility is taken away from the driver, the less he'll commit his full attention to the cause of getting to his destination.
If you disagree, perhaps you could explain the rising number of accidents involving slumbering HGV drivers since governors became standard equipment..
This phenomenon has been seen in motorcars incrementally since the introductions of various devices such as seatbelts, airbags, ABS etc..
Each of these items has heralded a reduction of injuries for those inside a so-equipped car, but there has been a corresponding increase is injuries to those outside of said cars - ie Pedestrians, Cyclists, Motorcyclists..
the safer a driver feels, the less safely he drives. It's a fact of human nature..
Why not raise awareness and driving standards rather than trying to overrule motorists, taking control from them?
It seems that you've been inculcated by the "Speed Kills" nonsense. I suggest you wake up and smell the coffee. This government are hell bent not only on control freakery, but deceptively emptying our pockets in any way they can as a punitive measure for our insistence on using our cars rather than resorting to inadequate or non-existant public transport.
Finally, before you conclude your attempt to put us all on this board in the same pigeonhole as one might iwth contributors to the Evo forum or Max Power or some such, take some time to get to know the crowd here and I'm sure you'll find you've underestimated us.
We are enthusiastic drivers, who are passionate not just about 'speed', but also about driving to the highest and safest standards.
And though your unfounded assumption that I have no advanced driving certificates is true, that's no real measure of my driving ability - which is something you're in no position to judge..
Get off the high horse, Jeff - it's got my saddle on it !
wasn't this my exact point - people not paying attention....
It's people not thinking about they're driving (including paying attention to the speed limits) that causes accidents.
Do you not think that if we can just stick our foot to the floor and let the computer govern the speed we drive at, we'll be *even more* inclined to drive without paying attention?
The more control and responsibility is taken away from the driver, the less he'll commit his full attention to the cause of getting to his destination.
If you disagree, perhaps you could explain the rising number of accidents involving slumbering HGV drivers since governors became standard equipment..
This phenomenon has been seen in motorcars incrementally since the introductions of various devices such as seatbelts, airbags, ABS etc..
Each of these items has heralded a reduction of injuries for those inside a so-equipped car, but there has been a corresponding increase is injuries to those outside of said cars - ie Pedestrians, Cyclists, Motorcyclists..
the safer a driver feels, the less safely he drives. It's a fact of human nature..
well that might or might not be true, but if it is true, then it's wrong.. the lowest common denominator is someone who's not technically capable of driving. So disqualify them and make them retrain/retest, don't force everyone to drive slower and slower, chasing an ever declining 'lowest common denominator'.
The law is there for the lowest common denominator (you know, the thick majority of the population and those with a patience/attention span of 0.1 secs).
Why not raise awareness and driving standards rather than trying to overrule motorists, taking control from them?
Arrogant it may be, but there are a large nunber of drivers who know full well that they *are* much better than average. People come on this site because they are interested in motorcars and enthusiastic about driving them. So is it not reasonable to assume that the majority here are indeed above average given that most people simply don't take an adequate interest in their driving?
It's very arrogant of some people to assume they are so much better drivers than the rest of us
I defy you to even find empirical evidence to support this claim.
that they can make up their own rules and laws on driving when these people are usually those with the least ability.
It seems that you've been inculcated by the "Speed Kills" nonsense. I suggest you wake up and smell the coffee. This government are hell bent not only on control freakery, but deceptively emptying our pockets in any way they can as a punitive measure for our insistence on using our cars rather than resorting to inadequate or non-existant public transport.
Finally, before you conclude your attempt to put us all on this board in the same pigeonhole as one might iwth contributors to the Evo forum or Max Power or some such, take some time to get to know the crowd here and I'm sure you'll find you've underestimated us.
We are enthusiastic drivers, who are passionate not just about 'speed', but also about driving to the highest and safest standards.
And though your unfounded assumption that I have no advanced driving certificates is true, that's no real measure of my driving ability - which is something you're in no position to judge..
Get off the high horse, Jeff - it's got my saddle on it !
Jazzyjeff
The tone of your post suggests you are guilty of the very arrogance you condemn. Unless you include yourself
in the thick majority of the population.
The consensus of opinion on here is that speed limits do nothing to increase the average level of attention, in fact quite the reverse.
Brave man having a pop at Carzee though!
The tone of your post suggests you are guilty of the very arrogance you condemn. Unless you include yourself
in the thick majority of the population.
The consensus of opinion on here is that speed limits do nothing to increase the average level of attention, in fact quite the reverse.
Brave man having a pop at Carzee though!
It's just Mrs CarZee and I then is it ? :fine: My vote goes to CarZee on this one. Although Jazzyjeff didn't actually use the line in his post, it comes down to the old: "Speed limits are there for a reason, you know ..."
Of course, that reason might not necessarily be a good 'un. Here are some examples of reasons that speed limits have been introduced:
1) Control freakery by local councils (who decide to introduce speed limits in the first place, not the police)
2) "Mouthy locals" who lean upon local councillors who are in marginal seats and afraid of not getting re-elected next time.
Unfortunately, of course, most people want a speed limit down their street (no matter whether its really justifiable or not) but are not so inclined to obey the same daft limits down other people's streets. That's where the whole speed limit thing is likely to start breaking down as more and more people start querying the need for some of them
There is another, much less used reason for imposing speed limits - There is really a need for it based on traffic conditions and accident statistics.
I am sure that I am not alone when I say that I attempt to drive safely according to the traffic conditions that I see through the windscreen, not continually having one eye on the speedo to make sure that I'm not exceeding an arbitrary limit, most probably put there on the recommendation of someone who is in no better position to judge the situation than anybody else, and probably less than the majority of experienced drivers.
And finally, don't forget that even when there is a justifiable reason for a speed limit to be imposed, those conditions very rarely apply 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
Of course, that reason might not necessarily be a good 'un. Here are some examples of reasons that speed limits have been introduced:
1) Control freakery by local councils (who decide to introduce speed limits in the first place, not the police)
2) "Mouthy locals" who lean upon local councillors who are in marginal seats and afraid of not getting re-elected next time.
Unfortunately, of course, most people want a speed limit down their street (no matter whether its really justifiable or not) but are not so inclined to obey the same daft limits down other people's streets. That's where the whole speed limit thing is likely to start breaking down as more and more people start querying the need for some of them
There is another, much less used reason for imposing speed limits - There is really a need for it based on traffic conditions and accident statistics.
I am sure that I am not alone when I say that I attempt to drive safely according to the traffic conditions that I see through the windscreen, not continually having one eye on the speedo to make sure that I'm not exceeding an arbitrary limit, most probably put there on the recommendation of someone who is in no better position to judge the situation than anybody else, and probably less than the majority of experienced drivers.
And finally, don't forget that even when there is a justifiable reason for a speed limit to be imposed, those conditions very rarely apply 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
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