Guess what was waiting for me when I got home...
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Lovely present from the North Wales Police in the post when I got back home after a week visiting the ancestral abode...
74mph in a 60mph zone. A5. Near Chirk.
Now...I need a bit of advice. I'm pretty sure I was in a 70mph zone as I was in a two lane section. BUT....it was one of those places where there are TWO lanes in one direction and ONE lane in the other.
I guess I should know whether or not that's a 60mph or a 70mph but I don't...so...
I'm going to get the picture anyway and insist on checking to see if I made a mistake and was in a single-carriageway section (Fair cop, guv) or if I should argue the toss.
I was thoroughly guilty of pressing on but I remember seeing the van and thinking..."I'm OK. I'm on or around 70mph and this is a 70 limit..."
Should I just accept the three points, given that its fair punishment and I'd like 23,435 other offences to be taken into account
, or do I bother to argue.
To be honest...I'm not that bothered but I thought I'd ask our resident coppers what they think...
74mph in a 60mph zone. A5. Near Chirk.
Now...I need a bit of advice. I'm pretty sure I was in a 70mph zone as I was in a two lane section. BUT....it was one of those places where there are TWO lanes in one direction and ONE lane in the other.
I guess I should know whether or not that's a 60mph or a 70mph but I don't...so...
I'm going to get the picture anyway and insist on checking to see if I made a mistake and was in a single-carriageway section (Fair cop, guv) or if I should argue the toss.
I was thoroughly guilty of pressing on but I remember seeing the van and thinking..."I'm OK. I'm on or around 70mph and this is a 70 limit..."
Should I just accept the three points, given that its fair punishment and I'd like 23,435 other offences to be taken into account
, or do I bother to argue. To be honest...I'm not that bothered but I thought I'd ask our resident coppers what they think...
Get the photographic evidence first. Apply for this in writing (To allow you to honestly fill out the NIP) as you can't remember if someone else may have been driving (Don't give the second persons identity at this stage), do this in writing so that the "ball" is in their court.
ie String it out to verify all the evidence is in place so that if a case were to go to court you would be convicted. When you know this, admit the charge. Otherwise carry on playing "clog the system".
DAZ
(Not a copper, merely a motorist, cyclist and pedestrian)
PS after all of this at least you get a nice picture to frame and you've got your £60 worth of administrative time!! ie no profit to the governent.
ie String it out to verify all the evidence is in place so that if a case were to go to court you would be convicted. When you know this, admit the charge. Otherwise carry on playing "clog the system".
DAZ
(Not a copper, merely a motorist, cyclist and pedestrian)
PS after all of this at least you get a nice picture to frame and you've got your £60 worth of administrative time!! ie no profit to the governent.
Bugger. Sorry to hear about that, Don.
The more people I know are picking up these ridiculous tickets, the more I feel I'm living on borrowed time.
Still, as Daz has said, you should certainly make sure you get your 60 quids worth out of them and the obligatory souvenir.
Anyway, more importantly, you have just admitted in public that you didn't know what the correct speed limit was for the road? Expect a visit during the night from an IAM swat team.
Norman the Inquisitor will don the driving gloves of justice and hand down your penalty. You'll have to say 200 Hail Taxis and then recite Roadcraft backwards with your trouser leg rolled up. All at bun-point.
The more people I know are picking up these ridiculous tickets, the more I feel I'm living on borrowed time.
Still, as Daz has said, you should certainly make sure you get your 60 quids worth out of them and the obligatory souvenir.
Anyway, more importantly, you have just admitted in public that you didn't know what the correct speed limit was for the road? Expect a visit during the night from an IAM swat team.
Norman the Inquisitor will don the driving gloves of justice and hand down your penalty. You'll have to say 200 Hail Taxis and then recite Roadcraft backwards with your trouser leg rolled up. All at bun-point.
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more importantly, you have just admitted in public that you didn't know what the correct speed limit was for the road? Expect a visit during the night from an IAM swat team.
Too true!
Well, I know now and its a lesson I won't forget in a hurry that's for sure. 
Still. I get a 1) souvenir to frame next to my other automotive trophies; 2) something in common with my (extremely law-abiding) father-in-law who also got a three pointer recently and 3) permission from the Mrs to get a Radar Detector....
It's true, I'm afraid. It doesn't matter how many lanes there are; if there isn't a central reservation and there are no signs to the contrary then its 60.
If its any consolation I thought 2 lanes meant 70 as well, until my IAM observer corrected me (5 years ago, having been driving 10 years)
If its any consolation I thought 2 lanes meant 70 as well, until my IAM observer corrected me (5 years ago, having been driving 10 years)
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quote:As far as I know, that would be 70. But I wouldn't want to bet my license on it!
What if you are on a 2 lane section, with a nice concrete verge and barrier separating you from the other carriageway, which happens to be a single lane section..?
Unless they put up a 40 sign along with some 'safety' cameras because it was such a 'dangerous' road (one accident in the last 10 years)!
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