RE: Extreme Speeders Watch Out
Thursday 25th July 2002
Extreme Speeders Watch Out
What constitutes extreme?
Discussion
quote:
Let's hope that the speeding penalties are implemented to punish extreme breaking of limits rather than absolute speeds. Is the Government capable of such common sense though?
Government - common sense?? Do me a favour!
When they actually implement the penalties they already have for serious crimes (mugging, rape, burglary etc..) rather than motoring offences (which are apparently not "crimes"), then they might gain my respect. Til then I have nothing but contempt for anything they say on the issue of law and order. FFS they're already bleating that they haven't got enuff prison space for the real scrotes, without adding motorists to the list!
I have a video tape which is about Lamborghini. It interviews several owners, one of whom appears to be the founder of CAR magazine. The proud owner of a lovely 350GT, he describes Ferruccio's rationale in producing a high perfromance marque (apart from the tiff with Enzo, of course).
Simply, to transport wealthy industrialists - very much like himself - across large distances, in comfort, at huge speeds. Get that? HUGE SPEEDS.
This is not a bad thing; it's a GOOD THING. Indeed, since the days of locomotive power (and probably before), man has been fairly obsessed with increasing his velocity (horse, carriage, train, car, plane).
Nothing new there, merely that thing of humanity improving it's lot in life; after all, nobody screams bloody murder when there's a medical breakthrough or a revolution in communications.
OK, traffic density is an issue but as a society, is it beyond the wit of man to accomodate this via a mass plan of super highways? Of course not. This is the bleedin' obvious, I realize but it needs stating simply, from time to time, just in case the enlightened amongst the PH fraternity were starting to believe any of the brainwashing diatribe that (for reasons [or motives?] I genuinely cannot fathom) are routinely trotted out as 'The Way It Is.'
We all know the stats about the time it takes to get through London being longer than it was 200 years ago and I think that probably says it all.
There are too many morons with too many opinions screwing it all up. We could conceivably have the roads we need/want but we'll never get it until the smug hypocrisy that characterises so many in the UK evaporates. I mean look - why is it that Italians LOVE to see a supercar blat past, all appreciative pips, smiles and waves (police too!) but here it's two fingers, an abusive mouthing and some aggressive horn play/flashing? Hang on - do you think it might just be that old British disease, the one diagnosed by a severe case of ye olde Green Eye? I wonder...
Simply, to transport wealthy industrialists - very much like himself - across large distances, in comfort, at huge speeds. Get that? HUGE SPEEDS.
This is not a bad thing; it's a GOOD THING. Indeed, since the days of locomotive power (and probably before), man has been fairly obsessed with increasing his velocity (horse, carriage, train, car, plane).
Nothing new there, merely that thing of humanity improving it's lot in life; after all, nobody screams bloody murder when there's a medical breakthrough or a revolution in communications.
OK, traffic density is an issue but as a society, is it beyond the wit of man to accomodate this via a mass plan of super highways? Of course not. This is the bleedin' obvious, I realize but it needs stating simply, from time to time, just in case the enlightened amongst the PH fraternity were starting to believe any of the brainwashing diatribe that (for reasons [or motives?] I genuinely cannot fathom) are routinely trotted out as 'The Way It Is.'
We all know the stats about the time it takes to get through London being longer than it was 200 years ago and I think that probably says it all.
There are too many morons with too many opinions screwing it all up. We could conceivably have the roads we need/want but we'll never get it until the smug hypocrisy that characterises so many in the UK evaporates. I mean look - why is it that Italians LOVE to see a supercar blat past, all appreciative pips, smiles and waves (police too!) but here it's two fingers, an abusive mouthing and some aggressive horn play/flashing? Hang on - do you think it might just be that old British disease, the one diagnosed by a severe case of ye olde Green Eye? I wonder...
Up until about 3 months ago, *everyone* would smile and wave at the bikers. Then "Speed kills" got a grip on society, and people didn't wave anymore, except kids who still think it is big and clever. Thank god that the next generation still enjoy the sound of thrashing engines. Maybe there is hope.
You need to read the article in full to get the complete implications...... they're talking about taking away any discretion at all and a revision to the totting up eg 2mph over = 6pts, £60, 10mph over =12 pts, £60, 16 mph over = BANNED! no reference to what the limit is, just a flat rate of over the limit.
The Minister (which ever knobhead it is this month) actually stated "Its DANGEROUS driving that kills" no mention of speed, but by omission he has indicated that he beleives that speed kills. TWATS the lot of them. Apparently motoring organisations are up in arms about it, but it looks like it comes in next parliament... so be warned, they're out to get you .
Can't they see that if they take this to the extreme, then there will be so many people banned that it will get ignored, making it an ass....oh sorry, this law is an ASS! :fumingsomuchiwanttoblowupparliament:
The Minister (which ever knobhead it is this month) actually stated "Its DANGEROUS driving that kills" no mention of speed, but by omission he has indicated that he beleives that speed kills. TWATS the lot of them
. Apparently motoring organisations are up in arms about it, but it looks like it comes in next parliament... so be warned, they're out to get you . Can't they see that if they take this to the extreme, then there will be so many people banned that it will get ignored, making it an ass....oh sorry, this law is an ASS! :fumingsomuchiwanttoblowupparliament:
The original government consultation paper proposed that the "higher level" fixed penalties should apply at speeds more than 10 mph above the posted limit, at all speed limits from 30 to 70 mph. So you'd get extra points for 81 on the motorway, but not for 39 in an urban area.
It remains to be seen exactly where they'll set the thresholds, but you have been warned!
It remains to be seen exactly where they'll set the thresholds, but you have been warned!
quote:But you are forgetting how much of the precious countryside would be obliterated (you know, that green stuff where we can all roam at will). Look at a road map of the UK, see how thick those blue lines are! Slap a few more of them on and there won't be any countryside left for the landed gentry to hunt foxes in. Oi! Get orf moy laaand!
OK, traffic density is an issue but as a society, is it beyond the wit of man to accomodate this via a mass plan of super highways?
quote:
quote:But you are forgetting how much of the precious countryside would be obliterated (you know, that green stuff where we can all roam at will). Look at a road map of the UK, see how thick those blue lines are! Slap a few more of them on and there won't be any countryside left for the landed gentry to hunt foxes in. Oi! Get orf moy laaand!
OK, traffic density is an issue but as a society, is it beyond the wit of man to accomodate this via a mass plan of super highways?
I'm sure you were japing aroond, Phil but just in case you harbour such THTs, then allow me to propose that perhaps now, more than ever, it's time to burrow...
Yep, a jolly jape. Just a gentle dig at those green types who think that the M6 really is about 5 miles wide, and also at the disgraceful imbalance of wealth in this country which sees most of our green and pleasant land owned by a very small percentage of us.
There's lots of countryside to go round, nowhere near enough roads.
There's lots of countryside to go round, nowhere near enough roads.
Its what we all new this crazy government would do.Try get everyone out of their cars at any possible chance.Its times like this i think thank kcuf i don't live in the UK anymore....i ran out of patience trying to own a supercar and live in England.Please believe me when i say there are places in this world you can still drive flat without fear of prison but they are not in President Blair's State.It still gets my goat up that they can dictate this utter propaganda about speed and deaths!!!Twats in parliment eh.....
Whilst some of last week's papers were reporting this as being something of a bolt out of the blue, the "first draft" of these appalling proposals was published back in late 2000:
www.ukspeedtraps.co.uk/pent.htm
In early 2001 ABD member Ben Lovejoy organised a successful internet campaign against this lunacy - over 1000 letters of protest were sent to MPs. This was unprecendented for a consulation paper. All went very quiet until recently when these proposals appeared again - now craftily engineered into a much wider crime bill in the hope that this time they would pass through relatively unnoticed.
The ABD, who originally alerted the electorate to this nasty piece of work, said in Dec 2000:
"It is quite clear that too many of the proposals are not about road safety at all, but represent the most extreme anti-car and anti-driver measures yet threatened by this government. It clearly attempts to put minor technical infringements on a par with malicious criminal activity. The high penalty points proposed are a blatant attempt to intimidate safe drivers and force people out of their cars."
Incidentally "road safety" group RoadPiece also complained about the consultation document. They thought the proposed penalties weren't harsh enough!! It would appear the government have taken their "concerns" on board and have reissued the proposals with even harsher penalties on lower speed limit violations.
Sadly the very term "road safety" is becoming increasingly tarnished. It is now more synonymous with politically-motivated social engineering and revenue generation rather than a genuine desire to save lives. The government pays lip service to real road safety, using it merely as a smokescreen for implementing their twisted anti-car policies and for coining in revenue.
I can only suggest to use www.faxyourmp.com otherwise apathy will ensure these draconian proposals become law.
>> Edited by Deadly Dog on Sunday 28th July 22:37
www.ukspeedtraps.co.uk/pent.htm
In early 2001 ABD member Ben Lovejoy organised a successful internet campaign against this lunacy - over 1000 letters of protest were sent to MPs. This was unprecendented for a consulation paper. All went very quiet until recently when these proposals appeared again - now craftily engineered into a much wider crime bill in the hope that this time they would pass through relatively unnoticed.
The ABD, who originally alerted the electorate to this nasty piece of work, said in Dec 2000:
"It is quite clear that too many of the proposals are not about road safety at all, but represent the most extreme anti-car and anti-driver measures yet threatened by this government. It clearly attempts to put minor technical infringements on a par with malicious criminal activity. The high penalty points proposed are a blatant attempt to intimidate safe drivers and force people out of their cars."
Incidentally "road safety" group RoadPiece also complained about the consultation document. They thought the proposed penalties weren't harsh enough!! It would appear the government have taken their "concerns" on board and have reissued the proposals with even harsher penalties on lower speed limit violations.
Sadly the very term "road safety" is becoming increasingly tarnished. It is now more synonymous with politically-motivated social engineering and revenue generation rather than a genuine desire to save lives. The government pays lip service to real road safety, using it merely as a smokescreen for implementing their twisted anti-car policies and for coining in revenue.
I can only suggest to use www.faxyourmp.com otherwise apathy will ensure these draconian proposals become law.
>> Edited by Deadly Dog on Sunday 28th July 22:37
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