Are Cameras ever wrong?

[Solidus]

I recieved an NIP this morning informing me that I was caught speeding at 78mph in a 30mph zone outside a school! The car registration is that of a Courtesy car I had used and was in my posession for the whole of that month.

However, I have never been anywhere near the place that it stated I was caught speeding at. Plus it took place at 12:40 in the morning, and at that very time I was in a Nightclub with some friends about 90 miles away from this place.

This NIP is pretty serious, I've already sent a request off for the photos, but there is no way that this is me, or the car that I had used.

Can anyone tell me if these things are ever wrong? Or if pherhaps someone was using similar/same plates or something?

This has just made me feel totally shit.

Thanks.

[outlaw]

quote:I recieved an NIP this morning informing me that I was caught speeding at 78mph in a 30mph zone outside a school! The car registration is that of a Courtesy car I had used and was in my posession for the whole of that month.

However, I have never been anywhere near the place that it stated I was caught speeding at. Plus it took place at 12:40 in the morning, and at that very time I was in a Nightclub with some friends about 90 miles away from this place.

This NIP is pretty serious, I've already sent a request off for the photos, but there is no way that this is me, or the car that I had used.

Can anyone tell me if these things are ever wrong? Or if pherhaps someone was using similar/same plates or something?

This has just made me feel totally shit.

Thanks.

it happens all the time, as its a Courtesy car
its quite posible some ones cloned the index number or done a bad ringer using the number.

pluss there screw up all the time. but dont like admiting it.

theres been cases of milk folots get nip including a dog coler whererin vicer get a ticke for speed when he was giving a sevice at the other end of tthe country at the time.

dont fill in the nip
send it back with a letter explaining that you were not there and that you have wickness that can prove the fact. plus thant no one else was driving the car at the so there is no posible way it was you or you car.

so there is no way you can help them.

and if the take it to court you will be bring you wicknesses and claim cost and pleading not guilty.
and you be inviting the press to watch the case.

if you mates are prepared to back it will never make it pass the cps. let alone a court.

my guess is theye will drop it before that.

just make shaw than when you send the letter you keep a copy and send it recorded deliverary.

al so it would help no end if you got you mates to wite statments now too.

you should be fine if you do this.

me personaly i would then bill em for my time and expeses if the tryed it with sueing if nessary.

and causing the public inbarisment but im just like that

good luck m8 as long as you m8s stick by you your be ok.

[Solidus]

Thanks very much

Feeling pretty relieved now.
So should I send my friends statements with the letter I send back?

[outlaw]

quote:
Thanks very much

Feeling pretty relieved now.
So should I send my friends statements with the letter I send back?

I would m8
just make shaw you keep copys of all letters sent and record it.

[bobthebench]

You're obliged to fill in the NIP. DO IT.

Also send an explanatory letter stating you were somewhere else, had the only set of keys, and the names of witnesses. You left the car ... at and returned at to find it still where you left it. Police will probably check out 1 or 2 witnesses and decide if your story holds up, or should be tested in court, and pass to CPS.

Uncommon, but it happens, where plates are misread, or more than 1 car going about on the same plates. Get and study the photos. Send further letter stating if you agree it is the same car (check for dents, garage sticker in back window etc.)

[Solidus]

Well what am I supposed to fill in on the NIP? I don't want to fill this in saying I am guilty of a crime I didn't comit.

The car was outside my house when I returned home, but I only had the keys that were given to me. The Garage who hired the car to me could well have had a set, but they were over 200 miles away from my location.

[outlaw]

quote:
You're obliged to fill in the NIP. DO IT.

Also send an explanatory letter stating you were somewhere else, had the only set of keys, and the names of witnesses. You left the car ... at and returned at to find it still where you left it. Police will probably check out 1 or 2 witnesses and decide if your story holds up, or should be tested in court, and pass to CPS.

Uncommon, but it happens, where plates are misread, or more than 1 car going about on the same plates. Get and study the photos. Send further letter stating if you agree it is the same car (check for dents, garage sticker in back window etc.)

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172.— This section applies—
(a) to any offence under the preceding provisions of this Act except—
(i) an offence under Part V, or
(ii) an offence under section 13, 16, 51 , 61 , 67 , 68 , 96 or 117,
and to an offence under section 178 of this Act,
(b) to any offence under sections 25, 26, 27 and 45 of the [1988 c. 53.] Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988, and
(c) to any offence against any other enactment relating to the use of vehicles on roads.
Where the driver of a vehicle is alleged to be guilty of an offence to which this section applies—
(a) the person keeping the vehicle shall give such information as to the identity of the driver as he may be required to give by or on behalf of a chief officer of police, and
(b) any other person shall if required as stated above give any information which it is in his power to give and may lead to identification of the driver.
In this subsection references to the driver of a vehicle include references to the person riding a cycle.

A person who fails to comply with the requirement of subsection (a) above is guilty of an offence unless he shows to the satisfaction of the court that he did not know and could not with reasonable diligence have ascertained who the driver of the vehicle or, as the case may be, the rider of the cycle was.

A person who fails to comply with the requirement of subsection (b) above is guilty of an offence.


where dose it say in the act that its an offence to not fill in the nip ????

it is my understanding that it is only an offence to not tell them who was driving if it is in your power to do so.

if tihs is is the case no offence has been commited.

If this in not the case could you please be so kind as to confirm, what section in law covers your point.
that it is an offence not to fill in a nip.

and kindly post it here.

as the section 172 clearly stats I qoute
"(a) above is guilty of an offence unless he shows to the satisfaction of the court that he did not know and could not with reasonable diligence have ascertained who the driver of the vehicle or, as the case may be, the rider of the cycle was."

nowhere that i know of in law dose it state it is an offence not to fill in the nip.

however the nip dose give the inprestion that it is the case and apppears to misguide one.

therefore I put it to your that if a person was infact not to fill one in and was able to-

show to the satisfaction of the court that he did not know and could not with reasonable diligence have ascertained who the driver of the vehicle or, as the case may be, the rider of the cycle was."

He would therefor would not be guilty of any offence in law weather he had filled in the nip or not?



>> Edited by outlaw on Sunday 14th July 04:12

[madcop]

I think you will find that the NIP and the name the driver form are combined. The top part of the form relates to the NIP and the bottom part to Sect 172.

You do not have to fill in anything in relation to the NIP itself. There is no requirement to acknwledge the NIP.

Hence a verbal NIP is good enough at the side of the road if you are stopped having alleged to have committed an offence.

The space on the rear of the form is in relation only to the Sect 172 notice. You would be advised as Bobthebench states to fill the form in, not necessarily with the details of the driver unless you know them but explaining that you cannot identify who the driver was and the circumstances as to why.

[JMGS4]

In Germany at least 30% of ALL camera measurements are questionable. e.g. Truck rolling at walking pace due to jam, blitzed at 145kph!!! because of vibration... FFS!!!! THUS all Gatsoes in GB are subject to the same as they're (mostly) the same units!!!!!!!
Why is no one getting into this on the legal side in GB???????

[Solidus]

Well I think everything is resolved now.

I rang up the Manchester Police this morning and they informed me that the car in the GATSO pictures was the same model of car as the car I had used, but it was a different colour and was a 5-door.

So they apoligised, are dropping the charges, and all I have to do is return the NIP with an explanation letter as well as quoting the officers name that I spoke to over the phone.

[JMGS4]

quote:
Well I think everything is resolved now.
I rang up the Manchester Police this morning and they informed me that the car in the GATSO pictures was the same model of car as the car I had used, but it was a different colour and was a 5-door.
So they apoligised, are dropping the charges, and all I have to do is return the NIP with an explanation letter as well as quoting the officers name that I spoke to over the phone.

So the proof of the pudding is just counter ANY NIP as they must all be questionable, if they can't even read the numberplate correctly!!!!!!!

[craigalsop]

quote:So the proof of the pudding is just counter ANY NIP as they must all be questionable, if they can't even read the numberplate correctly!!!!!!!

I would imagine there is a fair chance that the numberplate was false. When I used to live in Manchester, I heard that this was one of the things that scrotes with no insurance used to do:
Go to a company carpark, find a car similar to theirs
Note the numberplate
Then get new plates made up, remove the tax disc (if any) & bingo! When they get pulled by plod, they give false name & say its a company car, registered to the company that they got the number from. The details will tally with the DVLA checks, and there is no normal owner & address to get wrong. When plod ask about tax disc, scrote says that carfleet are crap & it's in the post.

If they are really enterprising, they will find out the name of the company car driver from reception.

cheers,
Craig

>> Edited by craigalsop on Wednesday 17th July 12:53