Whats the offence? Answers on a postcard...
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Chaps / Chapesses,
Took the Chimaera for a spin the other day as it wont get one all week and was getting seriously hassled by a new shape M5 - well cant be bothered as the chap has obviously got something to prove. Anyway, long story short he overtook me and another car by crossing the solid white line in the middle of the road (in fact there were one for each side of the road). Now I NEVER overtake on these as I know it is an offence - but which offence? Is it "undue care and attention" or "dangerous driving"? not sure.
Oh, and while I am asking - there is no offence when you are overtaking on the cross / hatching that you frequently find on A / B roads is there? Definately no solid white lines just lots of hatching.... Just checking...
Cheers and answers on a post card please...
Paul
Took the Chimaera for a spin the other day as it wont get one all week and was getting seriously hassled by a new shape M5 - well cant be bothered as the chap has obviously got something to prove. Anyway, long story short he overtook me and another car by crossing the solid white line in the middle of the road (in fact there were one for each side of the road). Now I NEVER overtake on these as I know it is an offence - but which offence? Is it "undue care and attention" or "dangerous driving"? not sure.
Oh, and while I am asking - there is no offence when you are overtaking on the cross / hatching that you frequently find on A / B roads is there? Definately no solid white lines just lots of hatching.... Just checking...
Cheers and answers on a post card please...
Paul
'Crossing a solid white line' was the name of the offence when I got done - I got a TS20 3pts/£40 for that 10 years ago..
Anyway, the thing is it's okay not crossing these things where there is potential danger but in that case, I could see an empty road for a mile in front of me, (with the exception of the coffin dodger I was passing) on a clear Sunday morning. There were two lanes on the oncomin side. Totally deserted apart from the coffin dodger and a plod in the bush half a mile down.
The lines were new so they were on an enforcement push.
That was on the Woodhead Pass. Still, at least he never clocked the speed at which I overtook the numpty
And still today, the same as we notice NSLs becoming 50,40,30 for no apparent reason, the double white lines are spreading like a rampant malignancy. Practically every time I get to an out of town road now, there are clear straights either flat or with good forward view, that have got a fresh lick of paint down the centre.
So I completely ignore the fcukers now and rely on my (reasonably skilled and careful) judgement. I don't pass where I can't see - I'm not an idiot and the sooner they stop treating me (and the rest of us) like it the sooner there'll be some respect shown. Not until. I'll take me chances with the law.
>> Edited by CarZee on Monday 1st July 22:31
Anyway, the thing is it's okay not crossing these things where there is potential danger but in that case, I could see an empty road for a mile in front of me, (with the exception of the coffin dodger I was passing) on a clear Sunday morning. There were two lanes on the oncomin side. Totally deserted apart from the coffin dodger and a plod in the bush half a mile down.
The lines were new so they were on an enforcement push. That was on the Woodhead Pass. Still, at least he never clocked the speed at which I overtook the numpty
And still today, the same as we notice NSLs becoming 50,40,30 for no apparent reason, the double white lines are spreading like a rampant malignancy. Practically every time I get to an out of town road now, there are clear straights either flat or with good forward view, that have got a fresh lick of paint down the centre.
So I completely ignore the fcukers now and rely on my (reasonably skilled and careful) judgement. I don't pass where I can't see - I'm not an idiot and the sooner they stop treating me (and the rest of us) like it the sooner there'll be some respect shown. Not until. I'll take me chances with the law.
>> Edited by CarZee on Monday 1st July 22:31
Just stay on the wrong side of the road, then you won't be crossing them! 
On the reducing limits front, Warwickshire council have the go-ahead to reduce speed limits in several villages to 20 (yes twenty) MPH. A handful for starters but its to be spread. How soon before we start getting pulled on pedal cycles? I thought 40mph in motorway roadworks was taking the urine, but entire villages at 20mph? Feck.
On the reducing limits front, Warwickshire council have the go-ahead to reduce speed limits in several villages to 20 (yes twenty) MPH. A handful for starters but its to be spread. How soon before we start getting pulled on pedal cycles? I thought 40mph in motorway roadworks was taking the urine, but entire villages at 20mph? Feck.
Its a FPN if you're stopped at the time, or a an NIP for dangerous driving if you're reported.
Re the hatchings. Its perfectly okay to go into hatchings as long as the are bordered by a broken white line. Rule of thumb I go by is to never cross a solid white line whether it be on a motorway slip road or country lane, just in case.
Cheers
Rob
Re the hatchings. Its perfectly okay to go into hatchings as long as the are bordered by a broken white line. Rule of thumb I go by is to never cross a solid white line whether it be on a motorway slip road or country lane, just in case.
Cheers
Rob
The actual offence of crossing a SOLID CONTINUOUS white line is covered under the failure to comply with a traffic sign regs.
It comes under Reg 10 of Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 1994.
Failure to comply with it is prosecuted under Section 36 Road traffic Act 1988. (following NIP)
Depending onthe circumstances it may also attract Careless or even Dangerous driving offences along with Sect 36.
Overtaking on cross hatchings is not an offence. Never do it however on the approach to a ghost island. This would be asking for trouble, especially if the overtaken vehicle decides to turn right when you are alongside.
>> Edited by madcop on Tuesday 2nd July 01:40
It comes under Reg 10 of Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 1994.
Failure to comply with it is prosecuted under Section 36 Road traffic Act 1988. (following NIP)
Depending onthe circumstances it may also attract Careless or even Dangerous driving offences along with Sect 36.
Overtaking on cross hatchings is not an offence. Never do it however on the approach to a ghost island. This would be asking for trouble, especially if the overtaken vehicle decides to turn right when you are alongside.
>> Edited by madcop on Tuesday 2nd July 01:40
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The actual offence of crossing a SOLID CONTINUOUS white line is covered under the failure to comply with a traffic sign regs.
It comes under Reg 10 of Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 1994.
Failure to comply with it is prosecuted under Section 36 Road traffic Act 1988. (following NIP)
Depending onthe circumstances it may also attract Careless or even Dangerous driving offences along with Sect 36.
Overtaking on cross hatchings is not an offence. Never do it however on the approach to a ghost island. This would be asking for trouble, especially if the overtaken vehicle decides to turn right when you are alongside.
>> Edited by madcop on Tuesday 2nd July 01:40
Do over take near a ghosh island
dont realy need stating dose it its comoman sence.
Just keep your eyes open and drive "sensibly" - got to admit I'm tending to ignore the proliferation of lines and daft limits nowadays. No respect for a lot of them.. If we can do 60 down country lanes, then why oh why cant we do 60 thru reoad works - this 40 mph c
p and the job creation for scrotes convoy system just ps me off.
If I can see, then I'll go - just dont do it near junctions!
p and the job creation for scrotes convoy system just ps me off. If I can see, then I'll go - just dont do it near junctions!
20 mph in villages that might actually work....
is it just me that blats past numpties who are doing 40 on open A roads, only to have them overtake me in villages past schools ect where im bang on the limit (30)... and their speed has gone to 45?.. now if the limit was 20, ok i'd be in first but they'd get banned
is it just me that blats past numpties who are doing 40 on open A roads, only to have them overtake me in villages past schools ect where im bang on the limit (30)... and their speed has gone to 45?.. now if the limit was 20, ok i'd be in first but they'd get banned
I live in Wallington, Surrey. We have a 20 mph limit just down the road from us, monitored by a permanently live Gatso.
Its a busy road but residential and with several schools just off the side roads (where passing traffic might not notice them).
It works quite well and probably adds all of 20 seconds to any journey.
On another point - I thought you were only supposed to enter white hatching in an emergency?
Its a busy road but residential and with several schools just off the side roads (where passing traffic might not notice them).
It works quite well and probably adds all of 20 seconds to any journey.
On another point - I thought you were only supposed to enter white hatching in an emergency?
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On another point - I thought you were only supposed to enter white hatching in an emergency?
IIRC white hatching is there to indicate a "potential" danger... if its blocked by white lines then you are expected to treat it as a no-go area (cos its cheaper to paint lines than build islands), other than that, exercise caution...
20mph in villages - pah -that's too fast !! Be grateful you don't live in Framley...
www.framleyexaminer.com/pages/framley037.html
David L.
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is it just me that blats past numpties who are doing 40 on open A roads, only to have them overtake me in villages past schools ect where im bang on the limit (30)... and their speed has gone to 45?.. now if the limit was 20, ok i'd be in first but they'd get banned
Its not just you. A lot of poorly trained drivers or simply nervous and unskilled drivers feel they cannot make progress down country lanes and drive very slowly.
Particularly the lack of white lane markings to help position the car seems to be a problem.
As soon as they get into the village very often there are lane markings etc and they feel they can proceed again...whilst totally ignoring the (reasonable and justified) speed limit.
Drives me potty as the weave about on the road as I try to pass and then drive right up my chuff when I slow for the obvious hazards.
Its not malicious in the very most part - they're just crap at driving...
Join the IAM. Become an Observer. Train the blighters to drive properly.
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Overtaking on cross hatchings is not an offence. Never do it however on the approach to a ghost island. This would be asking for trouble, especially if the overtaken vehicle decides to turn right when you are alongside.
Thanks for the concise response Madcop - but I understand what you are saying about the hatching. Dont get me wrong I wouldnt overtake if there is a risk of someone turning right. That said, I live in Suffolk / Cambridgeshire and we have a proliferation of roads where the centre divide is a load (miles in fact) of cross hatching - even occassionally painted red. No left or right turns to really justify it. But I guess that it does draw attention to the road conditions and think twice about overtaking.
You wont believe the number of people that I have to explain the breaks in the white lines - as in they actually mean something! It seems that this is something that is not taught on driving lessons anymore.... slightly worrying.
Cheers,
Paul
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That said, I live in Suffolk / Cambridgeshire and we have a proliferation of roads where the centre divide is a load (miles in fact) of cross hatching - even occassionally painted red. No left or right turns to really justify it. But I guess that it does draw attention to the road conditions and think twice about overtaking.
Paul.
The reason that you see mile after mile of 2 feet wide cross hatchings with broken white lines, is an attempt to seperate the two opposing lines of traffic further than they would naturally be apart with just a single broken white central hazard line.
They are not designed or intended to regulate the traffic in overtaking manouvres. Merely to increase the distance between opposite flows. They are usually put on roads that have a history of unexplainable head on collisions, usually at higher impact speeds due to the nature of the roads' geography.
The A413 between Aylesbury and Buckingham is a good example. About 10 miles of central 2 feet cross hatchings.
If they were designed to prevent overtaking, they would be bordered by solid continous white lines or with repeater 'No overtaking' signs
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