Charity Run BLOOD Vehicles and excemption to speed limits?

Charity Run BLOOD Vehicles and excemption to speed limits?

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jbsportstech

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5,069 posts

185 months

Thursday 7th February 2013
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Apologies if this has been done before.

My understanding under the current legislation is that they are not officially as they are not ambulances.


vonhosen

40,439 posts

223 months

Thursday 7th February 2013
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Blood vehicles aren't exempt from speed limits.
Even if they were, for a charity run ??

jbsportstech

Original Poster:

5,069 posts

185 months

Thursday 7th February 2013
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vonhosen said:
Blood vehicles aren't exempt from speed limits.
Even if they were, for a charity run ??
Operated by serv and freewheelers and such like, thats what I meant.


SO the blue lights and sirens can only be used to aid progress up to speed limits.


Edited by jbsportstech on Thursday 7th February 19:16

vonhosen

40,439 posts

223 months

Thursday 7th February 2013
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jbsportstech said:
SO the blue lights and sirens can only be used to aid progress up to speed limits.
Yes.

Frix

678 posts

197 months

Friday 8th February 2013
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vonhosen said:
Blood vehicles aren't exempt from speed limits.
Even if they were, for a charity run ??
I think he meant operated by rather than a publicity event.

abbotsmike

1,033 posts

151 months

Sunday 10th February 2013
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Does make you wonder why they need a hayabusa then, staying below speed limits and all...

I should note, if it saves lives, then I have no issue with them tearing about the place!!

Frix

678 posts

197 months

Monday 11th February 2013
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Most bikes are owned by volunteers. They use whatever they ride. The organisation I am a member of has a couple of liveried bikes which were donated. You use what you have basically.

Shaw Tarse

31,639 posts

209 months

Monday 11th February 2013
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Frix said:
Most bikes are owned by volunteers. They use whatever they ride. The organisation I am a member of has a couple of liveried bikes which were donated. You use what you have basically.
Such as http://mobile.pistonheads.com/;s=bTCS5M689RCKmtoBC...

mph1977

12,467 posts

174 months

Monday 11th February 2013
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the BTS marked vehicles also have lights and noise but aren't afforded a speed limit exemption

the legislation permitting the fitting andf use of blue lights and sirens specifically allows vehicles used for blood and tissue transport , but the speed exemption legislation does not - hence the whole performance with the Mick Ferguson case

Edited by mph1977 on Monday 11th February 12:22

Robert Lees

550 posts

147 months

Monday 11th February 2013
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Interesting topic I work for the National Blood Service ( or NHSBT to give it the correct title) and when I am sat waiting for an urgent sample to arrive from a hospital, I wish they would get a move on!/ Infact taxi's are generally "quicker".

Hospitals order blood " blue light" in emergencies but NBS drivers cannot exceed the speed limits , I do not know if they can run red lights ( i will ask).

Volunteers definately cannot run lights, speed and they do not have blue lights.
Charity blood vehicles are sometimes allowed to fetch/deliver samples but not transport blood back to hospitals due to storage conditions etc. It depends .

Robert Lees

550 posts

147 months

Monday 11th February 2013
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I should add this is my experience in our region and depends on the companies / charities used. Our hospitals generally use courier companies.
The charity volunteers save the NHS a fortune.. good on them, Hull to Leeds and back again in the early hours of the morning for nothing... I wont tell you what the NBS would charge the hospital for the same run !

littleredrooster

5,670 posts

202 months

Monday 11th February 2013
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A good mate does this, and I'm on the cusp of volunteering too. He gets a fully liveried-and-lit Triumph Tiger for his duty times and has done the blue-light training with the Police, but cannot exceed limits when on call.

He has so far saved several dozen lives as a result of his work and looks forward to each duty turn, even if it is freezing!

mel

10,168 posts

281 months

Monday 11th February 2013
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It's not as clear cut as some would suggest. The actual answer is "it depends" and without digging deeper into specifics you cannot be certain one way or the other.

It will depend mainly on the exact wording of the SLA or contract with the NHS that they are operating to and the exact nature of their call or job they are on. In certain circumstances a charity run and operated vehicle could be afforded full exemptions in law to red lights, traffic seperators and speed. In others they may enjoy only the first two exemptions and again in others they may have absolutely no exemptions nor be entitled to fit & operate emergency equipment. It's not possible to answer without really looking at the detail which if you're asking the question I doubt you have.

mel

10,168 posts

281 months

Monday 11th February 2013
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Actually having just looked at your region and seeing "south west" I can probably answer by asking just the one question. What colour markings was the bike in? Green/Yellow or Orange/Yellow reflective battenberg?

vonhosen

40,439 posts

223 months

Monday 11th February 2013
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Robert Lees said:
Interesting topic I work for the National Blood Service ( or NHSBT to give it the correct title) and when I am sat waiting for an urgent sample to arrive from a hospital, I wish they would get a move on!/ Infact taxi's are generally "quicker".

Hospitals order blood " blue light" in emergencies but NBS drivers cannot exceed the speed limits , I do not know if they can run red lights ( i will ask).

Volunteers definately cannot run lights, speed and they do not have blue lights.
Charity blood vehicles are sometimes allowed to fetch/deliver samples but not transport blood back to hospitals due to storage conditions etc. It depends .
They are exempt from red traffic lights but the only exemptions from speed limits are for fire & rescue services, ambulance, SOCA & Police purposes.
Bomb disposal, organ transport, blood donor etc are not exempt from speed limits.

Robert Lees

550 posts

147 months

Monday 11th February 2013
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i stand corrected about the lights, very interesting. I work in a testing department within NBS and we test samples from hospitals that they cannot resolve. The hospital send a sample,I fall out of bed and drive ( within the speed limits)to work, I test it, identify the antibody and select blood suitable for the patient and send it back out to the hospital. Getting the sample over to us quickly makes a big difference to the patients as does getting the blood back sharpish.The cost saving is an added bonus for the NHS.

Six Fiend

6,067 posts

221 months

Monday 11th February 2013
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Doing frequent blood runs as a courier I was well aware of the time limits the blood etc can be in the boxes in the vans.

Long distance jobs where you get a delay (motorway hols ups etc) on the way mean phone calls to stop at a hospital en route and get the boxes repacked, or you can risk legging it and hope you don't get a ticket.

Far better to arrive a little later without spilling it than not at all smile

Worst job was a Christmas day call out to take an urgent job to London, rare but it happened. Can't break the speed limit, patient is near death's door. Run cancelled 15 mins later as patient had died.

mad4amanda

2,410 posts

170 months

Monday 11th February 2013
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but its the driver that holds the exemption not the vehicle ?

Robert Lees

550 posts

147 months

Monday 11th February 2013
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Far better to arrive a little later without spilling it than not at all


very true!

mel

10,168 posts

281 months

Monday 11th February 2013
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It's the purpose it's being used for that affords an exemption, not the vehicle or driver.