RE: M4 Disaster Waiting to Happen
Wednesday 29th May 2002
M4 Disaster Waiting to Happen
Excessive speed will lead to certain death say Safety Camera Partnership
Discussion
my guess is way more than 250 broke 90mph, but the camera ran out of film.
M4 between Bristol and London is an accident waiting to happen. It has got sod all to do with absolute speed. Loads of morons seem perfectly happy to drive nose to tail, even if they are "only" doing 65mph in lane 1 and there is loads of room to spread out.
Worse still you often get caught up in fast moving packets of traffic that are also driving bumper to bumper at 90+ in lane 3. If you try to leave a gap in front of you, some pillock cuts in.
Dunno why this happens so much on the M4. I'd say it is appreciably worse than the other motorways I frequently use, M40, M25, M3, M20, M2, M11.
M4 between Bristol and London is an accident waiting to happen. It has got sod all to do with absolute speed. Loads of morons seem perfectly happy to drive nose to tail, even if they are "only" doing 65mph in lane 1 and there is loads of room to spread out.
Worse still you often get caught up in fast moving packets of traffic that are also driving bumper to bumper at 90+ in lane 3. If you try to leave a gap in front of you, some pillock cuts in.
Dunno why this happens so much on the M4. I'd say it is appreciably worse than the other motorways I frequently use, M40, M25, M3, M20, M2, M11.
I agree that absolute speed has little to do with making it an accident in waiting. IMO I would say poor road sense and training will contribute the most, particularly in the two lane sections where people assume it is their god given right to pull into lane 2 without looking or judging the speed of traffic and then proceed to overtake a vehicle travelling at 55mph by reaching the heady heights of 56mph.
I'm not saying that I support the inappropriate use of speed, but once again it looks as though the real issues are being ignored.
I'm not saying that I support the inappropriate use of speed, but once again it looks as though the real issues are being ignored.
It's the logic of this that really winds me up.
250 people drive over 90 mph... therefore it can only lead to disaster. Why? Is it because your bias assumes that speed means danger!
Surely what they've shown is that out of 250 people driving at over 90mph exactly 0% caused death, destruction, etc. Surely this result should support the relaxing of speed limits, not the tightening of measures to prevent speeding.
Of course I'm not saying that 90mph is always sensible. Over an eighteen hour period though how do we now that all the 250 speeders weren't spotted at between 2:00am and 5:00am with nobody else around for miles!
250 people drive over 90 mph... therefore it can only lead to disaster. Why? Is it because your bias assumes that speed means danger!
Surely what they've shown is that out of 250 people driving at over 90mph exactly 0% caused death, destruction, etc. Surely this result should support the relaxing of speed limits, not the tightening of measures to prevent speeding.
Of course I'm not saying that 90mph is always sensible. Over an eighteen hour period though how do we now that all the 250 speeders weren't spotted at between 2:00am and 5:00am with nobody else around for miles!
Number of thoughts:
(i) 250 people exceeded 90mph???? In 18 Hours.. ??? well that's just terrible.. won't somebody think of the children.. the M3 runs at those speeds day and night, yet there are very very few incidents on the M3.. maybe people who drive on the M3 are way smarter than thouse who take the M4 into Wales (there's no maybe about it
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(ii) There should be a quota of minimum of serious accidents on the M4 in this area to remove some of these
w*nkers from the gene pool and to provide entertainment by way of schadenfreude for the rest of us..
(i) 250 people exceeded 90mph???? In 18 Hours.. ??? well that's just terrible.. won't somebody think of the children.. the M3 runs at those speeds day and night, yet there are very very few incidents on the M3.. maybe people who drive on the M3 are way smarter than thouse who take the M4 into Wales (there's no maybe about it
) (ii) There should be a quota of minimum of serious accidents on the M4 in this area to remove some of these
w*nkers from the gene pool and to provide entertainment by way of schadenfreude for the rest of us.. (Cameras in the area revealed that in an eighteen hour period, more than 250 drivers exceeded 90mph. Nine exceeded 100mph and one topped out at 124mph.)
and there were no accidents ?? taking that as representative of the who motorway network does that not indicate to these t--sers that its safe to go faster than the NSL!!! oh no that would be no good, theyd be out of a job .. grrrrrr
and there were no accidents ?? taking that as representative of the who motorway network does that not indicate to these t--sers that its safe to go faster than the NSL!!! oh no that would be no good, theyd be out of a job .. grrrrrr
I totally agre with ATG here though..it is very odd but M4 driving does seem different...and it is very nose-to-tail a lot of the times - but at least it keeps mocving.
I thought the figures Ted had up here on accidents in different motorways and time lost was fascinating..the M3 is far and away the fastest motorway I ever use (you frequently get passed if you sit there at 90) and yet I remember it having a very low accident quota...curioser and curioser!
I thought the figures Ted had up here on accidents in different motorways and time lost was fascinating..the M3 is far and away the fastest motorway I ever use (you frequently get passed if you sit there at 90) and yet I remember it having a very low accident quota...curioser and curioser!
quote:This does happen on the M3, but you just have to let it.. if these berks want to be inches from the car in front at 90, then so be it.. chuck another moron on the barbie..
Worse still you often get caught up in fast moving packets of traffic that are also driving bumper to bumper at 90+ in lane 3. If you try to leave a gap in front of you, some pillock cuts in.
Dunno why this happens so much on the M4. I'd say it is appreciably worse than the other motorways I frequently use, M40, M25, M3, M20, M2, M11.
It does irritate me that if I leave a sensible (and I don't mean 2 second) gap, some one in a VW Pissant TDi will fill the gap..
But then as long as I continue to leave a sensible gap, sooner or later, I'm gonna be able to take evasive action whilst watching VW man getting twatted by his airbag..
Guys you're forgetting the "speed kills" mantra and brainwashing. You MUST use these figures to keep the mantra going. You mustn't use it to break the chant or as Phil quite rightly says interpret the data correctly. The interpretaion of these figures is that NSL is b*ll*cks (I wonder how many were over 70? kept that quiet didn't they, I put money on >50%).
All together keep chanting.... speed kills....speed kills....speed kills.....speed kills....
All together keep chanting.... speed kills....speed kills....speed kills.....speed kills....
I completely agree why shouldnt we be able to drive faster when the roads are quite AND if there is a huge gap between traffic?
I mean at over 100 i didnt really care that my braking distance was like 50 times longer than it is at 70 or whatever, it took me over 30 minutes to see another car on the road! (this was at 3.30am)
The only person i could kill at that time would be myself and if the cops didnt clear up my mess in time maybe delay the a few peeps on their way to work in the morning!
I mean at over 100 i didnt really care that my braking distance was like 50 times longer than it is at 70 or whatever, it took me over 30 minutes to see another car on the road! (this was at 3.30am)
The only person i could kill at that time would be myself and if the cops didnt clear up my mess in time maybe delay the a few peeps on their way to work in the morning!
I drive the M4 daily from Bristol to work in Southampton the speed is high but generally the traffic does keep moving until you reach Swindon when all the pretty young girls on the way to london join in driving the handbag on wheels.This leads to lane hogging bunching etc etc.On this section if we were allowed to undertake legally the traffic would easily by pass these morons in stead of causing the trucks to use the outside lane, I kid you not. The very worst thing on the M4 though is when there is an accident they always close it because the dimwits need to have a difinitive person to blame for the insurance claim.There is never just one car involved ever always at least four because they just don't brake when an accident starts.
quote:
Cameras in the area revealed that in an eighteen hour period, more than 250 drivers exceeded
90mph. Nine exceeded 100mph and one topped out at 124mph.
Ok so far. The road probably has thousands, if not
ten of thousands of users.
quote:
"Travelling at these speeds is a prescrption for disaster and
can lead to serious consequences for other road users."
Like motorways being the safest & fastest roads.
The number of fatal collisions
on the M4 has increased from three to eight in 2001.
In other words, from one very small number, to another.
Sounds like a very safe road to me.
Haven't these folks got something better to do ?
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