LOWEST spped over limit

[ugm5grec]

What is the lowest speed over the national limit that someones been given points for? (I got 3 for 70 ina 60 and 3 points for 90 in a 70). Would you get 3 points doing 80 on a motorway?????

[mel]

I got a NIP for doing 67 in a 70 !!!!

Its a long story, I've told it before and boiled down to a typo.

[ap_smith]

Not quite National limit, but I got 3 points for 58 in a 50.

BASDS

[M-five]

I got one for my previous motor for 34mph in a 30mph in Preston in February.

I sold the car over a year ago and registered the change and I still get the NIP!


I tell them that I am no longer the registered owner I have no responsibility to inform them who was driving and that as I don't know who owns the car now, there is no way I could know who was driving either!

I no longer have the buyer's details and have told the Police that, but will they let it go - not bloody likely!

>> Edited by M-five on Tuesday 14th May 10:32

[JMGS4]

In 2001 I got a fine from Coburg Town Council for 51km in a 50 km limit. Their text "after deduction of the legal tolerance (measured 54kph) you were doing 51 kph therefore 30DM fine (£10,-=) PLUS 123,50 DM (around £38,-) burocracy costs"! Checked with my legal eagle and he confirmed that town councils (here) can recuperate their costs, ba****ds. So if you're travelling to Franken (Northern Bavaria) simply don't........ they're getting as piratical (daylight robbery, highwaymen whatever swearword you want) as Britain. Fg pratts
PS they've now put up a Gatso in a shopping precinct (for the speeding delivery trucks) and its set at 7kph FFS. Who has a speedo that reads 7kph!!! The pedalbikers set it off regularly!!!


>> Edited by JMGS4 on Wednesday 15th May 09:24

[JohnLow]

Not exactly a ticket - but there used to be a sign at the entrance to West Linton (south of Edinburgh) which flashed "slow down 30" if you came in too quickly ... I managed to set it off on my bicycle at what my speedo said was 34.

And I know of someone (a minister, even!) who saw a manned police speed trap with radar gun, on a downhill 30mph road, while on his bicycle ... so he tanked down the hill as fast as he could, and then went back up to ask them how fast he'd been going. 35, they said, and gave him a bollocking for it!!

[Fatboy]

There's a Gatso on a hill near me that me and a mate keep trying to set off - managed 33 mph (digital speedo on my mates bike) but no flash - anyone else here managed to set off a gatso on a pedalbike?

[madcop]

I think you will find that Gatso cameras on 70 mph roads are set for 77 mph. this takes into account 10% error on speedometers which is a legal requirementfor them to be plus or minus 10% accurate. You are unlikely to get stuck on by a following check for 80mph unless you are plain unobservant for mile after mile or taking the p*ss. Why do so many drivers pass marked patrol cars doing 70ish and then accelerate away. It happens with regular monotony

[ianpicknell]

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plus or minus 10% accurate

I thought they were never allowed to under-represent actual speed?

[fx:fires up google]

"The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986, as amended, allows the use of speedometers that meet the requirements of EC Community Directive 75/443(97/39) or ECE Regulation 39. Both the EC Directive and the ECE Regulation lay down accuracy requirements to be applied at the time of vehicle approval for speedometers. These requirements are that the indicated speed must not be more than 10 per cent of the true speed plus 4 km/h. In production, however, a slightly different tolerance of 5 per cent plus 10 km/h is applied. The requirements are also that the indicated speed must never be less than the true speed."

[JohnLow]

quote:
the indicated speed must not be more than 10 per cent of the true speed plus 4 km/h.

So ... actual speed 100km/h, say. True speed plus 4km/h = 104 km/h.
Maximum indicated allowed is 10% of that.
ie 10.4 km/h.
And indicated can't be less than actual, so we're not allowed to ever exceed about 0.4 km/h.

(Don't tell our gov't they'd enforce it)

Is that an actual quote from the legislation?

I'm in a picky mood today. Get back to work, Low!!!

>> Edited by JohnLow on Thursday 16th May 14:53

[Deadly Dog]

I've read elewhere that the threshold limits for some of the M25 cameras used to be around 96 mph. I don't know if this has been cranked down recently.

As for speedometer accuracy, personally I think the situation is farcical. No certificate of accuracy is issued with the sale of a new car and there is no requirement to have this checked at the MOT. A malfunction or calibration drift can lead to underreading as well as overreading. Compare that against the quality of apparatus used by speed trap operators. The technology imbalance is a joke. Another issue is parallax error - the angle at which the gauge needle is viewed against the dial. Even worse, my left hand often obscures the speedo in my Mini Cooper!

With a reasonable tolerance on speed margins, the above points are not an issue. But where drivers are being pulled over for breaches of just a few mph then the situation changes. You need a Head Up Display speedo, focused on infinity and linked to a GPS for maximum accuracy.

[ianpicknell]

quote:

quote:
the indicated speed must not be more than 10 per cent of the true speed plus 4 km/h.

Is that an actual quote from the legislation?

Good spot John. The quote was actually from Lord Whitty, when responding to a written question regarding speedometer accuracy raised by Lord Allen of Abbeydale on 12th March 2001. So you can blame him. See www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/ld200001/ldhansrd/vo010312/text/10312w01.htm)

I've just checked the legislation that Lord Whitty (incorrectly) summarised. EC Community Directive 75/443(97/39) (at http://europa.eu.int/eur-lex/en/consleg/pdf/1975/en_1975L0443_do_001.pdf) goes into quite a lot of detail about the way the accuracy should be measured (temperature, axle load, adhesion etc.) and then goes on to say:

quote:
4.4 The speed indicated must never be less than the true speed. At the speeds specified for the test in 4.3.5 above and between these speeds, there shall be the following relationship between the speed indicated on
the dial of the speedometer (V1) and the true speed (V2):
0 <= V1-V2 <= (V2/10) plus 4km/h

(The equation is actually a diagram - I hope I've transposed it correctly! I had to write "plus" because a "+" symbol won't render. Dunno why. )

Ian.

P.S. You can tell I'm busy today.

[GingaNinga]

I had a mate who was nicked at 55mph on the M25 in one of the 50 mph controlled zones. He wasn't impressed.

[octane junkie]

When I was young, my Aunty drove an Austin A35. She was actually prosecuted for travelling at 31 mph in a 30 mph zone.

She never drove again.

[outlaw]

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When I was young, my Aunty drove an Austin A35. She was actually prosecuted for travelling at 31 mph in a 30 mph zone.

She never drove again.

not lam her with crap like that

Id have run over the coper after giving me a ticket for that.

[octane junkie]

My Brother and I got our own back for the next 3 years or so... The local police had a favourite spot for setting up their speed trap - it just happened to be on our way to school and they always picked between 8 and 9 in the morning to operate it. It was great fun but I'm not sure how many tickets we helped avert and we would have had our collars felt (or a swift clip round the ear 'ole) had we been caught.

[MikeyT]

I would love to take the plates of my car and drive through one particular GATSO near us at about 85mph (it's in a 40 zone).

[mondeoman]

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Why do so many drivers pass marked patrol cars doing 70ish and then accelerate away. It happens with regular monotony

What else can we do madcop - just sit there behind you and cause a major traffic blockage. Its common knowledge that we're unlikely to get pulled for less than 80 on an M-way..... I prefer to just drift up to marked cars at about 75, slope past at that and let the speed pick up gently over the next mile or so..

What would you recommned?

[pdv6]

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I think you will find that Gatso cameras on 70 mph roads are set for 77 mph. this takes into account 10% error on speedometers which is a legal requirementfor them to be plus or minus 10% accurate.

I thought the triggering speed was set at the discretion of the operating authority?

[s2ooz]

quote:
My Brother and I got our own back for the next 3 years or so... The local police had a favourite spot for setting up their speed trap - it just happened to be on our way to school and they always picked between 8 and 9 in the morning to operate it. It was great fun but I'm not sure how many tickets we helped avert and we would have had our collars felt (or a swift clip round the ear 'ole) had we been caught.

what did you do?