Police run over calf - reasonable?
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
It's West London mate, not rural Shropshire. There are people milling around, out and about, all the time.
I'm a pretty vocal critic of the Met, but they're stuck between a rock and a hard place here. If they hadn't done what did, and 30 seconds later the animal runs into a mum with a kid in a pushchair, it would be "why didn't they mow the bloody thing down when they had a chance".
The policy are there to protect the public. They protected the public. If the RSPCA had run it over, you might have more of a point.
Damned if they do, damned if they don't. I'm a pretty vocal critic of the Met, but they're stuck between a rock and a hard place here. If they hadn't done what did, and 30 seconds later the animal runs into a mum with a kid in a pushchair, it would be "why didn't they mow the bloody thing down when they had a chance".
The policy are there to protect the public. They protected the public. If the RSPCA had run it over, you might have more of a point.
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Are you sure? That's very surprising. I'd far rather be with 20 random dogs than 20 random cattle.
Really? Most of us walk through fields containing 20 random cattle fairly regularly with no great drama. Even the commons right in the middle of Cambridge would fit that description (and I’m sure many other places are similar).
Are you sure? That's very surprising. I'd far rather be with 20 random dogs than 20 random cattle.
Really? Most of us walk through fields containing 20 random cattle fairly regularly with no great drama. Even the commons right in the middle of Cambridge would fit that description (and I’m sure many other places are similar).
dickymint said:
Nibbles_bits said:
dickymint said:
Yes if the 'right' phone call is made! Let's say it was an XL Bully on the rampage................
My vets are on call 24/7 by the way and have all the kit at their disposal.
XL Bully on the loose = the police shoot it. Plenty of examplesMy vets are on call 24/7 by the way and have all the kit at their disposal.
Edited by Nibbles_bits on Saturday 15th June 19:57
I didn't realise how many people don't know what a calf is !
Handled terribly by those concerned. I do appreciate it was almost certainly a new experience for them but that 'solution' would only have made sense if a large angry bull was about to endanger members of the public.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing of course but if you get a bucket or box & put anything that will rattle in it, nuts, bolts, gravel, keys, etc. most cattle will think it is their food and follow you. You should then be able to lead them / it into a safe area.
As with most animals, randomly chasing them only spooks them & is pretty unlikely to help.
With a calf that size if two blokes got a rope around its neck they could stop it. Then you tip it over and tie its legs together.
Yes, I have done it, albeit when I was younger and fitter.
Handled terribly by those concerned. I do appreciate it was almost certainly a new experience for them but that 'solution' would only have made sense if a large angry bull was about to endanger members of the public.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing of course but if you get a bucket or box & put anything that will rattle in it, nuts, bolts, gravel, keys, etc. most cattle will think it is their food and follow you. You should then be able to lead them / it into a safe area.
As with most animals, randomly chasing them only spooks them & is pretty unlikely to help.
With a calf that size if two blokes got a rope around its neck they could stop it. Then you tip it over and tie its legs together.
Yes, I have done it, albeit when I was younger and fitter.
Damned if they do, damned if they don’t just about sums it up
It’s a wild beast, it’s dangerous and it was out of control
All those saying they should have got a VET and shot it with a tranquilizer … well good luck with that, seriously you’ve got two hopes and one is called Bob, likewise the RSPCA etc etc
The other option available is to shoot it .. simple as
Rural communities are different
All those complaining would no doubt be equally enraged if it had hit and killed a pedestrian Or heaven forbid a cyclist or child
The police are there to protect people and property .. that is their role
The animal has a sore leg, it will be put back in a field and probably fairly soon get a bolt in its head and be sold to you with mayo and lettuce for a fiver
It’s a wild beast, it’s dangerous and it was out of control
All those saying they should have got a VET and shot it with a tranquilizer … well good luck with that, seriously you’ve got two hopes and one is called Bob, likewise the RSPCA etc etc
The other option available is to shoot it .. simple as
Rural communities are different
All those complaining would no doubt be equally enraged if it had hit and killed a pedestrian Or heaven forbid a cyclist or child
The police are there to protect people and property .. that is their role
The animal has a sore leg, it will be put back in a field and probably fairly soon get a bolt in its head and be sold to you with mayo and lettuce for a fiver
Nibbles_bits said:
dickymint said:
Yes if the 'right' phone call is made! Let's say it was an XL Bully on the rampage................
My vets are on call 24/7 by the way and have all the kit at their disposal.
XL Bully on the loose = the police shoot it. Plenty of examplesMy vets are on call 24/7 by the way and have all the kit at their disposal.
texaxile said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
It's West London mate, not rural Shropshire. There are people milling around, out and about, all the time.
I'm a pretty vocal critic of the Met, but they're stuck between a rock and a hard place here. If they hadn't done what did, and 30 seconds later the animal runs into a mum with a kid in a pushchair, it would be "why didn't they mow the bloody thing down when they had a chance".
The policy are there to protect the public. They protected the public. If the RSPCA had run it over, you might have more of a point.
Damned if they do, damned if they don't. I'm a pretty vocal critic of the Met, but they're stuck between a rock and a hard place here. If they hadn't done what did, and 30 seconds later the animal runs into a mum with a kid in a pushchair, it would be "why didn't they mow the bloody thing down when they had a chance".
The policy are there to protect the public. They protected the public. If the RSPCA had run it over, you might have more of a point.
On the horns of a dilemma, if you like.
E63eeeeee... said:
texaxile said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
It's West London mate, not rural Shropshire. There are people milling around, out and about, all the time.
I'm a pretty vocal critic of the Met, but they're stuck between a rock and a hard place here. If they hadn't done what did, and 30 seconds later the animal runs into a mum with a kid in a pushchair, it would be "why didn't they mow the bloody thing down when they had a chance".
The policy are there to protect the public. They protected the public. If the RSPCA had run it over, you might have more of a point.
Damned if they do, damned if they don't. I'm a pretty vocal critic of the Met, but they're stuck between a rock and a hard place here. If they hadn't done what did, and 30 seconds later the animal runs into a mum with a kid in a pushchair, it would be "why didn't they mow the bloody thing down when they had a chance".
The policy are there to protect the public. They protected the public. If the RSPCA had run it over, you might have more of a point.
On the horns of a dilemma, if you like.
E63eeeeee... said:
Nibbles_bits said:
dickymint said:
Yes if the 'right' phone call is made! Let's say it was an XL Bully on the rampage................
My vets are on call 24/7 by the way and have all the kit at their disposal.
XL Bully on the loose = the police shoot it. Plenty of examplesMy vets are on call 24/7 by the way and have all the kit at their disposal.
The other poster was comparing the police response to this cow to that of XL Bullies. They were suggesting that the police wouldn't harm the XL, when they most certainly would.
The police have training on how to deal with dangerous dogs. It's very unlikely those Officers have had training on how to deal with livestock
E63eeeeee... said:
Nibbles_bits said:
dickymint said:
Yes if the 'right' phone call is made! Let's say it was an XL Bully on the rampage................
My vets are on call 24/7 by the way and have all the kit at their disposal.
XL Bully on the loose = the police shoot it. Plenty of examplesMy vets are on call 24/7 by the way and have all the kit at their disposal.
We'll see what comes of it.
dickymint said:
I've no real position on this other than I know other options are/were available rather than a gung-ho approach that seems to be taken. People say 'London' as though it was in Knightsbridge during rush hour.
We'll see what comes of it.
Go on list them, tell me exactly what they were at 2am this morning in East Surrey We'll see what comes of it.
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Nothing to do with the Met … not their area
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The Met are there. The Met have white shirts under thier Met Vests. Surrey Police uniform is all black.
The Met police Feltham. I'd imagine it's one of those areas that borders Surrey?? Surrey have to cover areas of The Met because "they don't have anyone".
It's a Surrey Police vehicle that hits the calf, but The Met a definitely involved.
Oceanrower said:
Earthdweller said:
Rural communities are different.
It’s Surrey. This may come as a surprise to you but that’s about as rural as it’s gets outside of, maybe, Somerset or Derbyshire…It’s the part of Surrey that was part of the Met until the boundary changes in 2000
It’s effectively south west London and very urban
dickymint said:
I've no real position on this other than I know other options are/were available rather than a gung-ho approach that seems to be taken. People say 'London' as though it was in Knightsbridge during rush hour.
We'll see what comes of it.
Ah yes. And despite the situation ongoing for several hours, the Police didn't think of these other options We'll see what comes of it.
Nibbles_bits said:
E63eeeeee... said:
Nibbles_bits said:
dickymint said:
Yes if the 'right' phone call is made! Let's say it was an XL Bully on the rampage................
My vets are on call 24/7 by the way and have all the kit at their disposal.
XL Bully on the loose = the police shoot it. Plenty of examplesMy vets are on call 24/7 by the way and have all the kit at their disposal.
The other poster was comparing the police response to this cow to that of XL Bullies. They were suggesting that the police wouldn't harm the XL, when they most certainly would.
The police have training on how to deal with dangerous dogs. It's very unlikely those Officers have had training on how to deal with livestock
I'm out
dickymint said:
Nibbles_bits said:
E63eeeeee... said:
Nibbles_bits said:
dickymint said:
Yes if the 'right' phone call is made! Let's say it was an XL Bully on the rampage................
My vets are on call 24/7 by the way and have all the kit at their disposal.
XL Bully on the loose = the police shoot it. Plenty of examplesMy vets are on call 24/7 by the way and have all the kit at their disposal.
The other poster was comparing the police response to this cow to that of XL Bullies. They were suggesting that the police wouldn't harm the XL, when they most certainly would.
The police have training on how to deal with dangerous dogs. It's very unlikely those Officers have had training on how to deal with livestock
I'm out
What were you suggesting then??
Earthdweller said:
dickymint said:
I've no real position on this other than I know other options are/were available rather than a gung-ho approach that seems to be taken. People say 'London' as though it was in Knightsbridge during rush hour.
We'll see what comes of it.
Go on list them, tell me exactly what they were at 2am this morning in East Surrey We'll see what comes of it.
https://afriesantv.mysite.ng/viral-video-of-little...
oakdale said:
Earthdweller said:
dickymint said:
I've no real position on this other than I know other options are/were available rather than a gung-ho approach that seems to be taken. People say 'London' as though it was in Knightsbridge during rush hour.
We'll see what comes of it.
Go on list them, tell me exactly what they were at 2am this morning in East Surrey We'll see what comes of it.
https://afriesantv.mysite.ng/viral-video-of-little...
Earthdweller said:
Oceanrower said:
Earthdweller said:
Rural communities are different.
It’s Surrey. This may come as a surprise to you but that’s about as rural as it’s gets outside of, maybe, Somerset or Derbyshire…It’s the part of Surrey that was part of the Met until the boundary changes in 2000
It’s effectively south west London and very urban
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