Police run over calf - reasonable?
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The Gauge said:
DonkeyApple said:
Ah, you were on the balcony. Got it. 
As one of the nations leading assassins you will obviously be aware that there is such a concept as humane killing for animals. We aren't going to just have people firing at cows and hoping to hit something. Let's engage brain just for a moment, or you ask the village to borrow it for this, you do actually need to know where to hit the poor thing to get that humane kill and I doubt we waste that much tax payer money training specialist police to handle the worrying cow invasion that some speak of.
Agreed.As one of the nations leading assassins you will obviously be aware that there is such a concept as humane killing for animals. We aren't going to just have people firing at cows and hoping to hit something. Let's engage brain just for a moment, or you ask the village to borrow it for this, you do actually need to know where to hit the poor thing to get that humane kill and I doubt we waste that much tax payer money training specialist police to handle the worrying cow invasion that some speak of.
Imagine the headline 'Bovine Blood Bath In Street - Armed cops blast little baby cow 6 times before it dies'
Lots of folk (I almost typed woke!) on here who know nothing about killing cattle, nothing about deploying armed police, nothing about what armed police can and can't do, and nothing about the rules of police discharging firearms in the street. Yet when little 'Marvin the moo cow' gets hit by a car they are suddenly experts in the above. I love it
Edited by The Gauge on Friday 21st June 07:30
Flumpo said:
Nibbles_bits said:
dickymint said:
Cold said:
How did they eventually catch this calf? It wasn't caught by hitting it with a 4x4, but by another method. Possibly a bloke with a wide hat and a lasso?
Instead of all this talk about guns, vets and magic bullets why don't they just do whatever they did after the bumper incident?
I have been asking this for days and in particular how long before it was finally captured and what was this mad rampant killer beast doing in the meantime Instead of all this talk about guns, vets and magic bullets why don't they just do whatever they did after the bumper incident?
I wonder if it's because it was hit that it was captured?
Yep still in use...................
https://agriculture.vic.gov.au/livestock-and-anima...
Bigends said:
Interesting, reading a UK farmers forum, posters are all of the view that this wouldnt have happened if the stray animal had been a horse. Cattle are seen as more disposable with less emotional attachment to the public.
Exactly and God forbid if it was a rampant Panda or Polar Bear 
Interesting factoid: 5.56 can be used to dispatch calf-sized animals perfectly cleanly and effectively. I have a relative in Zimbabwe who uses an AR-15 chambered in 5.56, originally purchased for self-defence during the civil war, to cull impala on his farm. It looks a bit peculiar with a telescopic sight mounted above the carrying handle.
dickymint said:
Bigends said:
Interesting, reading a UK farmers forum, posters are all of the view that this wouldnt have happened if the stray animal had been a horse. Cattle are seen as more disposable with less emotional attachment to the public.
Exactly and God forbid if it was a rampant Panda or Polar Bear 
Bigends said:
Interesting, reading a UK farmers forum, posters are all of the view that this wouldnt have happened if the stray animal had been a horse. Cattle are seen as more disposable with less emotional attachment to the public.
"Generally" we don't eat horses in the UK they are kind of pets or recreational animals.There is a trade for export though for slaughter to Belgium and France. Often with falsified passports declaring they haven't had certain drugs in their lifetime that would exclude them from the food chain
Flumpo said:
Nibbles_bits said:
dickymint said:
Cold said:
How did they eventually catch this calf? It wasn't caught by hitting it with a 4x4, but by another method. Possibly a bloke with a wide hat and a lasso?
Instead of all this talk about guns, vets and magic bullets why don't they just do whatever they did after the bumper incident?
I have been asking this for days and in particular how long before it was finally captured and what was this mad rampant killer beast doing in the meantime Instead of all this talk about guns, vets and magic bullets why don't they just do whatever they did after the bumper incident?
I wonder if it's because it was hit that it was captured?
@DonkeyApple I get your point about Chillingham cattle getting a bit of hay but I do believe they'd survive (as a group, even if a lot of them died) without it; think this has been proven on some very harsh winters before?
Do you really need a 7.62 at <50 yards for a cow????
Edited by Somewhatfoolish on Friday 21st June 21:31
dickymint said:
swisstoni said:
I’m guessing the latest acceptable dispatch methods of livestock is not at the top of the Surrey Constabulary to-do list.
Probably not but it's very simple for a serving member of the police to ask a simple question and get an answer. It would probably take an FOI request for me to find out lol.Somewhatfoolish said:
>Snip<
Do you really need a 7.62 at <50 yards for a cow????
I posted about the relative muzzle energies of various calibres a couple of days back, a 7.62 NATO round wouldn't be allowed for big game hunting in most countries as it isn't powerful enough!Do you really need a 7.62 at <50 yards for a cow????
Edited by Somewhatfoolish on Friday 21st June 21:31
The Holland & Holland .375 Magnum which is considered the bare minimum (and in some countries it's the legal minimum) has slightly less velocity but each bullet weighs nearly twice as much as the 7.62 round so as a result has roughly 1600 ft/lbs more muzzle energy.
To put that into context a single H&H .375 Magnum bullet has roughly the same amount of muzzle energy as a 9mm Parabellum, 5.56 NATO and a 7.62 NATO combined!!
I'd say a 7.62 NATO would be the bare minimum for trying to drop a cow at 50yds but it would be a very brave decision to allow something like that to be used in a built up area.
Tango13 said:
Somewhatfoolish said:
>Snip<
Do you really need a 7.62 at <50 yards for a cow????
I posted about the relative muzzle energies of various calibres a couple of days back, a 7.62 NATO round wouldn't be allowed for big game hunting in most countries as it isn't powerful enough!Do you really need a 7.62 at <50 yards for a cow????
Edited by Somewhatfoolish on Friday 21st June 21:31
The Holland & Holland .375 Magnum which is considered the bare minimum (and in some countries it's the legal minimum) has slightly less velocity but each bullet weighs nearly twice as much as the 7.62 round so as a result has roughly 1600 ft/lbs more muzzle energy.
To put that into context a single H&H .375 Magnum bullet has roughly the same amount of muzzle energy as a 9mm Parabellum, 5.56 NATO and a 7.62 NATO combined!!
I'd say a 7.62 NATO would be the bare minimum for trying to drop a cow at 50yds but it would be a very brave decision to allow something like that to be used in a built up area.
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