Blanket 20mph limit across Wales from 2023

[Responder.First]

monkfish1 said:

I think you may have mis read that. There is no way that deaths are down 218!

Data above shows collisions down from 681 to 463, on restricted roads, 20/30 I believe.

As stated the target was deaths and it seems to have failed.

[Evanivitch]

Responder.First said:

monkfish1 said:

I think you may have mis read that. There is no way that deaths are down 218!

Data above shows collisions down from 681 to 463, on restricted roads, 20/30 I believe.

As stated the target was deaths and it seems to have failed.

Target was to save the NHS money... Dead People don't cost as much to the NHS.

[Responder.First]

Evanivitch said:

Target was to save the NHS money... Dead People don't cost as much to the NHS.

No each road death costs million, 586k Lost Output, 1k for Ambulance, 1.1m Human cost they estimate.


https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...

[camel_landy]

Evanivitch said:

Target was to save the NHS money... Dead People don't cost as much to the NHS.

Target was to save the NHS money through a reduction of KSIs... Which it has failed to deliver.

Now go away.

M

[monkfish1]

Evanivitch said:

Responder.First said:

monkfish1 said:

I think you may have mis read that. There is no way that deaths are down 218!

Data above shows collisions down from 681 to 463, on restricted roads, 20/30 I believe.

As stated the target was deaths and it seems to have failed.

Target was to save the NHS money... Dead People don't cost as much to the NHS.

The leaflet specifically said that it would save 6-10 lives with the corresponding savings to NHS etc.

Indeed, only a few pages it back, it was you that used this very info as justification for the 20mph imposition. Whilst conviniently ignoring that the cost to the economy exceeded the potential (made up) savings that saing 10 lives would bring

Or did you somehow forget that?

Just like a politician, you have forgotton the things you said, or more accurately, wrote down, when changing your story

[Evanivitch]

camel_landy said:

Target was to save the NHS money through a reduction of KSIs... Which it has failed to deliver.

Now go away.

M

Are you okay, lady?

[Evanivitch]

Responder.First said:

No each road death costs million, 586k Lost Output, 1k for Ambulance, 1.1m Human cost they estimate.


https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...

That's not the NHS cost...

[Evanivitch]

monkfish1 said:

Evanivitch said:

Responder.First said:

monkfish1 said:

I think you may have mis read that. There is no way that deaths are down 218!

Data above shows collisions down from 681 to 463, on restricted roads, 20/30 I believe.

As stated the target was deaths and it seems to have failed.

Target was to save the NHS money... Dead People don't cost as much to the NHS.

The leaflet specifically said that it would save 6-10 lives with the corresponding savings to NHS etc.

Indeed, only a few pages it back, it was you that used this very info as justification for the 20mph imposition. Whilst conviniently ignoring that the cost to the economy exceeded the potential (made up) savings that saing 10 lives would bring

Or did you somehow forget that?

Just like a politician, you have forgotton the things you said, or more accurately, wrote down, when changing your story

Where have I changed it? There was no one singular target as you presented it.

[Stella Tortoise]

camel_landy said:

Evanivitch said:

Target was to save the NHS money... Dead People don't cost as much to the NHS.

Target was to save the NHS money through a reduction of KSIs... Which it has failed to deliver.

Now go away.

M

Why so rude?

Sometimes people have different opinions to yours.

[Peter911]

Can somebody rip this to shreds please

https://www.transportxtra.com/publications/local-t...

[Penrhyn]

The author is Rhodri Clark

Rob Clark, esure’s head of motor underwriting

I wonder are they related.

[bigothunter]

Peter911 said:

Can somebody rip this to shreds please

https://www.transportxtra.com/publications/local-t...

Just imagine how much greater benefit a 10 mph limit would bring

Slow is go...

[nordboy]

Pica-Pica said:

Sargeant Orange said:

Deaths up because everyone absolutely tanks it outside of 20mph zones to make up the time they think they have lost

Really? My experience is that the average speed in NSL is down in Wales.

Not sure of the actual data, purely just a thought, but I've certainly changed some of my routes away from 20mph zones. I'd wager that I'm very much not the only one. Therefore the actual number of vehicles in 20mph zones may have dropped, pushing many onto the 'faster' roads, thus increasing the collision rates outside of the 20's?

[Penrhyn]

nordboy said:

Pica-Pica said:

Sargeant Orange said:

Deaths up because everyone absolutely tanks it outside of 20mph zones to make up the time they think they have lost

Really? My experience is that the average speed in NSL is down in Wales.

Not sure of the actual data, purely just a thought, but I've certainly changed some of my routes away from 20mph zones. I'd wager that I'm very much not the only one. Therefore the actual number of vehicles in 20mph zones may have dropped, pushing many onto the 'faster' roads, thus increasing the collision rates outside of the 20's?

Llandudno
Yes l have done the same. Traffic going over little orme are now down to 20mph, as the drivers are scared of driving over the limit.

Many l'm sure worried they will get pulled over by the Police for an eye sight test. And just to prove that the Police were in the coach drop off point opposite B&q they where pulling in cars for random eyesight tests. Many failed and had their licences taken and had to be driven home. So they no doubt only targeted local reg nos starting CX and CY.

[camel_landy]

Penrhyn said:

Many l'm sure worried they will get pulled over by the Police for an eye sight test. And just to prove that the Police were in the coach drop off point opposite B&q they where pulling in cars for random eyesight tests. Many failed and had their licences taken and had to be driven home. So they no doubt only targeted local reg nos starting CX and CY.

We need more of that and not just in Wales.

M

[Sargeant Orange]

https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/24399786.po...

Assume he pleaded not guilty which I always find bizarre.

Has to be one of the straightest 20mph zones in Wales, he must have been distracted too!

[bigothunter]

Sargeant Orange said:

https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/24399786.po...

Assume he pleaded not guilty which I always find bizarre.

Has to be one of the straightest 20mph zones in Wales, he must have been distracted too!

£706 penalty for driving at 37 mph

[Pica-Pica]

bigothunter said:

Sargeant Orange said:

https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/24399786.po...

Assume he pleaded not guilty which I always find bizarre.

Has to be one of the straightest 20mph zones in Wales, he must have been distracted too!

£706 penalty for driving at 37 mph

Or do you mean. Oh yes, it’s a Band B penalty, I understand?

[bigothunter]

Pica-Pica said:

bigothunter said:

Sargeant Orange said:

https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/24399786.po...

Assume he pleaded not guilty which I always find bizarre.

Has to be one of the straightest 20mph zones in Wales, he must have been distracted too!

£706 penalty for driving at 37 mph

Or do you mean. Oh yes, it’s a Band B penalty, I understand?

I had not realised that driving at 37mph on the public highway was a heinous crime.

But Band B explains it all.

[Byker28i]

monkfish1 said:

Evanivitch said:

Responder.First said:

monkfish1 said:

I think you may have mis read that. There is no way that deaths are down 218!

Data above shows collisions down from 681 to 463, on restricted roads, 20/30 I believe.

As stated the target was deaths and it seems to have failed.

Target was to save the NHS money... Dead People don't cost as much to the NHS.

The leaflet specifically said that it would save 6-10 lives with the corresponding savings to NHS etc.

Indeed, only a few pages it back, it was you that used this very info as justification for the 20mph imposition. Whilst conviniently ignoring that the cost to the economy exceeded the potential (made up) savings that saing 10 lives would bring

Or did you somehow forget that?

Just like a politician, you have forgotton the things you said, or more accurately, wrote down, when changing your story

The original claims included all sorts of things, like discouraging car use, reducing pollution levels (that was quietly edited and dropped from the website after the report came out it made no difference), and reducing deaths

In fact the Belfast report said it made no difference to any of those especially road safety, apart, from reducing traffic, which was noted in the 8 test areas.
https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/do-...

No doubt as reports come out showing this, the claims will be edited again.