Blanket 20mph limit across Wales from 2023
Discussion
MustangGT said:
Evanivitch said:
bigothunter said:
Evidence shows that 20mph limits increase pollution and fuel consumption. I've posted data to support that assertion.
Incorrect. You've provided evidence that travelling at 20 mph is less efficient than 30 mph.MustangGT said:
Your waffle about acceleration and deceleration is meaningless since that applies at all speeds. Whenever I travel through a 20 or a 30 I set cruise and make minor adjustments to prevent needless braking for lights etc.
Gweeds said:
camel_landy said:
You tell me...
...and of those, how many can we blame on the parents for not teaching basic road safety?
M
Zero. ...and of those, how many can we blame on the parents for not teaching basic road safety?
M
Easy isn’t it.
As for ‘blaming the parents’. Pull your head out of your arse.
...but if you want zero, you're looking at banning all forms of transport, even bicycles and horses.
You're going to have to make everyone stay at home, wrapped in cotton wool, which in turn brings about health issues associated with a sedentary lifestyle.
M
Gweeds said:
camel_landy said:
You tell me...
...and of those, how many can we blame on the parents for not teaching basic road safety?
M
Zero. ...and of those, how many can we blame on the parents for not teaching basic road safety?
M
Easy isn’t it.
As for ‘blaming the parents’. Pull your head out of your arse.
camel_landy said:
Well don't go asking loaded questions then...
...but if you want zero, you're looking at banning all forms of transport, even bicycles and horses.
You're going to have to make everyone stay at home, wrapped in cotton wool, which in turn brings about health issues associated with a sedentary lifestyle.
M
Nope. I’m say that no deaths are acceptable. Not that it’s achievable. But when you accept it’s zero that you’re asking for the priority should then be reduction, not building a society around cars and cars alone. ...but if you want zero, you're looking at banning all forms of transport, even bicycles and horses.
You're going to have to make everyone stay at home, wrapped in cotton wool, which in turn brings about health issues associated with a sedentary lifestyle.
M
Driving around Cardiff these days and most areas are already 20mph besides the busier main roads/dual carriageways.
I find it weird now driving through the Vale of Glamorgan like ooh I can do 30 here.
I have kind of got used to 20mph zones and don't mind them as much as I thought I would. They aren't heavily enforced although the camera vans occasionally police them (not very often). I'd be more annoyed if it was heavily policed.
The main thing to note is that the idiot who fly's off at the lights is found waiting at the next set of lights when you reach them. I can live with the 20 mph limits, it's the silly stop start nature of driving which is infuriating.
The rural roads which aren't residential won't be affected though (NSL A roads and B roads). Likewise motorways and dual carriageways.
I find it weird now driving through the Vale of Glamorgan like ooh I can do 30 here.
I have kind of got used to 20mph zones and don't mind them as much as I thought I would. They aren't heavily enforced although the camera vans occasionally police them (not very often). I'd be more annoyed if it was heavily policed.
The main thing to note is that the idiot who fly's off at the lights is found waiting at the next set of lights when you reach them. I can live with the 20 mph limits, it's the silly stop start nature of driving which is infuriating.
The rural roads which aren't residential won't be affected though (NSL A roads and B roads). Likewise motorways and dual carriageways.
From what I can see nobody pays any attention to it.
Funnily enough I always used to drive at or around 20 around side streets and sometimes even the main road near me which is a 30 but often see people driving at nearer 40. Now its a 20, it near as makes no difference because there is no enforcement.
Funnily enough I always used to drive at or around 20 around side streets and sometimes even the main road near me which is a 30 but often see people driving at nearer 40. Now its a 20, it near as makes no difference because there is no enforcement.
GolfDragon said:
The rural roads which aren't residential won't be affected though (NSL A roads and B roads). Likewise motorways and dual carriageways.
YET, this is coming is my bet. Won't be that long before 60 NSL roads will become 50's or 40's. I can show you dozens on roads in Wales where the old NSL's have been reduced stealthily. Some duals have become 50's (A48 Eastern Ave). It does seem to happen more in England, but Wales is certainly not immune.It's coming....
Edited by nordboy on Tuesday 8th November 06:14
nordboy said:
GolfDragon said:
The rural roads which aren't residential won't be affected though (NSL A roads and B roads). Likewise motorways and dual carriageways.
YET, this is coming is my bet. Won't be that long before 60 NSL roads will become 50's or 40's. I can show you dozens on roads in Wales where the old NSL's have been reduced stealthily. Some duals have become 50's (A48 Eastern Ave). It does seem to happen more in England, but Wales is certainly not immune.It's coming....
Edited by nordboy on Tuesday 8th November 06:14
Gweeds said:
768 said:
If you can only accept the unachievable you're not living in reality.
Come back when you’ve lost a loved one to a drink driver. Much like criminals/stolen cars etc we see on the tv shows. ‘Catch the speeders!’ ,they say. Also some people are just idiots who drive through 30 zones at 50/60 all the time. These people won’t change their behaviour because the limit is reduced to 20. They will just overtake more cars in inappropriate places.
So rather than catch the 5% of fools, which involves manpower, they try to solve the issue by using a excel spreadsheet computer generated solution of trying to slow down 100% of the cars. Which everyone living in the real world, not the data world, knows won’t work as the problem drivers will just carry on anyway and everyone else will just get frustrated, and soon start ignoring it, overtaking more, tailgating more etc.
Zero Fuchs said:
I've been working in Newport/Cardiff and there are stretches of the M4 that are 50 now. Quite a few roads from there to mid Wales have changed, although it is odd that you can drive at 60 down some A roads but are limited to 50 on a 4 lane motorway.
Which comes back to my comment earlier about take, take, take... It's always about cutting limits and there's never any raising of limits elsewhere to 'compensate'.It's also rather frustrating that people will just sit in the same lane on the motorway and not move to the left. You see people do it all the way from Bristol to Cardiff. Vast stretches of motorway, with nothing in lane 1.
It's about education, which takes time but we/politicians want instant results.
M
Edited by camel_landy on Tuesday 8th November 08:42
nordboy said:
YET, this is coming is my bet. Won't be that long before 60 NSL roads will become 50's or 40's. I can show you dozens on roads in Wales where the old NSL's have been reduced stealthily. Some duals have become 50's (A48 Eastern Ave). It does seem to happen more in England, but Wales is certainly not immune.
It's coming....
easy way to stop it happening - just tell everyone it's an English initiative.... It's coming....
Pica-Pica said:
No need to change signs, just tell everyone it’s km/hr from now on. You have to use the inner dial on your speedometer.
Nia Griffith, Shadow Minister for International Trade, came up with that idea back in 2006.Also she proposed a new 80 limit for motorways - 80km/h of course (50mph)
Evanivitch said:
MustangGT said:
Evanivitch said:
bigothunter said:
Evidence shows that 20mph limits increase pollution and fuel consumption. I've posted data to support that assertion.
Incorrect. You've provided evidence that travelling at 20 mph is less efficient than 30 mph.MustangGT said:
Your waffle about acceleration and deceleration is meaningless since that applies at all speeds. Whenever I travel through a 20 or a 30 I set cruise and make minor adjustments to prevent needless braking for lights etc.
From your comments you sound like a driver who has little observation of their surroundings and I hope you live no where near me.
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