Police run over calf - reasonable?
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Earthdweller said:
Oceanrower said:
Earthdweller said:
Rural communities are different.
It’s Surrey. This may come as a surprise to you but that’s about as rural as it’s gets outside of, maybe, Somerset or Derbyshire…It’s the part of Surrey that was part of the Met until the boundary changes in 2000
It’s effectively south west London and very urban
Edited by Oceanrower on Saturday 15th June 20:21
gt40steve said:
I didn't realise how many people don't know what a calf is !
Handled terribly by those concerned. I do appreciate it was almost certainly a new experience for them but that 'solution' would only have made sense if a large angry bull was about to endanger members of the public.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing of course but if you get a bucket or box & put anything that will rattle in it, nuts, bolts, gravel, keys, etc. most cattle will think it is their food and follow you. You should then be able to lead them / it into a safe area.
As with most animals, randomly chasing them only spooks them & is pretty unlikely to help.
With a calf that size if two blokes got a rope around its neck they could stop it. Then you tip it over and tie its legs together.
Yes, I have done it, albeit when I was younger and fitter.
They should have phoned you. You should get in touch with them and let them know you are available if it happens again.Handled terribly by those concerned. I do appreciate it was almost certainly a new experience for them but that 'solution' would only have made sense if a large angry bull was about to endanger members of the public.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing of course but if you get a bucket or box & put anything that will rattle in it, nuts, bolts, gravel, keys, etc. most cattle will think it is their food and follow you. You should then be able to lead them / it into a safe area.
As with most animals, randomly chasing them only spooks them & is pretty unlikely to help.
With a calf that size if two blokes got a rope around its neck they could stop it. Then you tip it over and tie its legs together.
Yes, I have done it, albeit when I was younger and fitter.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Originally I was going off the video info, that says Feltham, West London. Turns out it's Spelthorne, which is indeed Surrey, and not dealt with by the Met. But it's not rural in any way. It's just like West London.
Even if it's not Feltham, The Met still sent Officers. J__Wood said:
ChevronB19 said:
Never, ever get between a heifer and its calf.
I pretty sure no one ever has? Surely heifers are female cows who have not yet given birth to a calf. All plod needed was to rock up with a metre of blue alkathene pipe each.
Nibbles_bits said:
dickymint said:
Nibbles_bits said:
E63eeeeee... said:
Nibbles_bits said:
dickymint said:
Yes if the 'right' phone call is made! Let's say it was an XL Bully on the rampage................
My vets are on call 24/7 by the way and have all the kit at their disposal.
XL Bully on the loose = the police shoot it. Plenty of examplesMy vets are on call 24/7 by the way and have all the kit at their disposal.
The other poster was comparing the police response to this cow to that of XL Bullies. They were suggesting that the police wouldn't harm the XL, when they most certainly would.
The police have training on how to deal with dangerous dogs. It's very unlikely those Officers have had training on how to deal with livestock
I'm out
What were you suggesting then??
Thankfully a quick look at your profile shows you never venture out of SP&TL so are paths are highly unlikely to cross again
TwigtheWonderkid said:
J__Wood said:
I pretty sure no one ever has? Surely heifers are female cows who have not yet given birth to a calf.
Female cows? I thought all cows were female. If they aren't, that just proves how little Londoners like me know about cows. Mature female cattle are called cows and mature male cattle are bulls. Young female cattle are called heifers, young male cattle are bullocks (lost their b
ks).J__Wood said:
Bullocks, I thought I'd give a dictionary definition of a heifer so there would be no confusion but dived in like a bull in a china shop.
Mature female cattle are called cows and mature male cattle are bulls. Young female cattle are called heifers, young male cattle are bullocks (lost their bks).
Just for accuracy, the ones that HAVE lost their bMature female cattle are called cows and mature male cattle are bulls. Young female cattle are called heifers, young male cattle are bullocks (lost their b
ks).ks are steers…Oceanrower said:
Earthdweller said:
Oceanrower said:
Earthdweller said:
Rural communities are different.
It’s Surrey. This may come as a surprise to you but that’s about as rural as it’s gets outside of, maybe, Somerset or Derbyshire…It’s the part of Surrey that was part of the Met until the boundary changes in 2000
It’s effectively south west London and very urban
Edited by Oceanrower on Saturday 15th June 20:21
59 years living on an estate beside Heathrow airport, more than I could ever manage
dickymint said:
Nibbles_bits said:
dickymint said:
Nibbles_bits said:
E63eeeeee... said:
Nibbles_bits said:
dickymint said:
Yes if the 'right' phone call is made! Let's say it was an XL Bully on the rampage................
My vets are on call 24/7 by the way and have all the kit at their disposal.
XL Bully on the loose = the police shoot it. Plenty of examplesMy vets are on call 24/7 by the way and have all the kit at their disposal.
The other poster was comparing the police response to this cow to that of XL Bullies. They were suggesting that the police wouldn't harm the XL, when they most certainly would.
The police have training on how to deal with dangerous dogs. It's very unlikely those Officers have had training on how to deal with livestock
I'm out
What were you suggesting then??
Thankfully a quick look at your profile shows you never venture out of SP&TL so are paths are highly unlikely to cross again
Here's hoping not
Earthdweller said:
Where this happened was part of the Met Police “T” District from 1839 until the boundary changes in 2000
It’s very much urban west London and about as far from the Surrey hills, let alone Derbyshire as you can get
As I said, I’ve lived in the area all my life. We’re just going to have to disagree. It’s very much urban west London and about as far from the Surrey hills, let alone Derbyshire as you can get
People are getting hung up over the Met area. Epsom used to be Met (might still be, don’t know, can’t be arsed to look) but a rookie copper that didn’t know how to deal with a runaway horse was soon on a steep learning curve…
All that effort and methane, probably reversed the last three months worth of ULEZ enforcement.
Police probably acting with herd mentality, one decides to ram it and then they all think it's a good idea. What gets my beef though is for all this posturing about excessive force and xyz, ultimately the police are there to protect the public. A cow, even a small one, is a pretty meaty thing to be mincing about in a city; they can do some damage and cause injury, especially to unsuspecting members of the public who aren't expecting to come face-to-face with a rampaging steak. While I think the officer driving the Ranger probably overcooked it a bit, what we see is only in isolation and probably requires a bit more context; how long were these police resources tied up with the steak and at what point do you say, "enough is enough".
I'm born and bred in the countryside, we have cows in the field overlooking our orchard and often come to see what's going on when we're firing up the barbeque. I like cows, in various formats; I'm not fussy, but if the other avenues involving farmers/vets etc. had been exhausted, then I don't see what other means the police had available to them. On the flip side, the method of execution did seem to be a little overdone to me, by all means try and pin it gently, but I really don't want a Ford oval imprinted in my rump.
Police probably acting with herd mentality, one decides to ram it and then they all think it's a good idea. What gets my beef though is for all this posturing about excessive force and xyz, ultimately the police are there to protect the public. A cow, even a small one, is a pretty meaty thing to be mincing about in a city; they can do some damage and cause injury, especially to unsuspecting members of the public who aren't expecting to come face-to-face with a rampaging steak. While I think the officer driving the Ranger probably overcooked it a bit, what we see is only in isolation and probably requires a bit more context; how long were these police resources tied up with the steak and at what point do you say, "enough is enough".
I'm born and bred in the countryside, we have cows in the field overlooking our orchard and often come to see what's going on when we're firing up the barbeque. I like cows, in various formats; I'm not fussy, but if the other avenues involving farmers/vets etc. had been exhausted, then I don't see what other means the police had available to them. On the flip side, the method of execution did seem to be a little overdone to me, by all means try and pin it gently, but I really don't want a Ford oval imprinted in my rump.
The guardian said ‘ A Surrey police spokesperson said they tried to safely capture the cow over a number of hours and explored a number of options before hitting it with a car. The force said the matter had been referred to its professional standards department.’
What I am desperate to know is what the options they ruled were that they thought were WORSE than ttting it with a Volvo.
What I am desperate to know is what the options they ruled were that they thought were WORSE than t
tting it with a Volvo.Nibbles_bits said:
You'd need to know how much the calf weighs in order to know how much tranquilliser to use.
Too little and it won't work. Too much and you risk killing it.
You'd also need to know whether it has an health conditions.
Too little and it won't work. Too much and you risk killing it.
You'd also need to know whether it has an health conditions.
tranq or rammng - id have gone with tranq.....
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