45th President Of The United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 14)
Discussion
p1stonhead said:
Surely that appeal will fail, as the crimes were committed before he was elected president.p1stonhead said:
Imagine someone going into a coma in 2014 and waking up now.
Ten years is absolutely nothing but the US has changed to an insane degree. Seems everyone over there pretty much hates the other side.
Nothing at all like we have here. It’s really odd. Maybe every young country goes through this and either makes it through whole, or not.
Just talk to a lot of SNP voters or some Labour people who still will never consider the Conservatives because Thatcher, or see some of the conspiracies Reform/Conservative voters make up about what Labour will do in power. We’re thankfully not as bad but there is still a lot of nutters here too. Ten years is absolutely nothing but the US has changed to an insane degree. Seems everyone over there pretty much hates the other side.
Nothing at all like we have here. It’s really odd. Maybe every young country goes through this and either makes it through whole, or not.
Nigel_O said:
p1stonhead said:
Surely that appeal will fail, as the crimes were committed before he was elected president.As much as I’m disgusted by this ruling and the consequences, it does sort of show how those saying he’d get away with it Scot free were a lot closer to the truth than we wanted to be.
His criminal conviction will be overturned now, he’ll never pay the civil penalties, as they’ll get overturned somehow, or he’ll just ignore them and that’s it. Judge Merchan and family, Jack Smith and quite a few others should have their escape plans in place for Nov 5th just in case. Trump will be coming after them all guns blazing with complete and absolute immunity from any consequences whatsoever if he flukes it.
His criminal conviction will be overturned now, he’ll never pay the civil penalties, as they’ll get overturned somehow, or he’ll just ignore them and that’s it. Judge Merchan and family, Jack Smith and quite a few others should have their escape plans in place for Nov 5th just in case. Trump will be coming after them all guns blazing with complete and absolute immunity from any consequences whatsoever if he flukes it.
LF5335 said:
As much as I’m disgusted by this ruling and the consequences, it does sort of show how those saying he’d get away with it Scot free were a lot closer to the truth than we wanted to be.
His criminal conviction will be overturned now, he’ll never pay the civil penalties, as they’ll get overturned somehow, or he’ll just ignore them and that’s it. Judge Merchan and family, Jack Smith and quite a few others should have their escape plans in place for Nov 5th just in case. Trump will be coming after them all guns blazing with complete and absolute immunity from any consequences whatsoever if he flukes it.
It was all so predictable but hatred and emotion blinded people to the reality.His criminal conviction will be overturned now, he’ll never pay the civil penalties, as they’ll get overturned somehow, or he’ll just ignore them and that’s it. Judge Merchan and family, Jack Smith and quite a few others should have their escape plans in place for Nov 5th just in case. Trump will be coming after them all guns blazing with complete and absolute immunity from any consequences whatsoever if he flukes it.
RustyMX5 yesterday said:
1933 here we come
Baroque attacks said:
Anyone done a comparison to the 1933 Enabling Act yet?
Don't like all those Hispanic murders, rapists and drug dealers? Not a problem. They can be rounded up and put into special areas where they can all live together. We'll call them Hettos (Hispanic Ghettos). But there are quite a few of them and really they should work for a living so perhaps we should put them all in camps where work can set them free. Human rights? Pah. The law now states that a sitting president can do whatever he or she wants with absolute immunity.This ruling has the potential to open the door to extremism. There would be nothing to stop presidents (Trump / Biden or anyone who comes after) to bring back segregation, ban all religions except a specific brand of Christianity, place the country on a war footing to invade any country it feels like or almost anything else potus desires.
Opens the door completely to trump stealing the next election - in fact Scotus gave him permission to do it and pointed out all the advantages to him doing it
I'm expecting him to lose it with votes, then those 'fake' elector scheme comes back in so trump gets the electoral college votes and it's all signed off as legal.
Thats what trump means when he says "I don't need the votes"
I'm expecting him to lose it with votes, then those 'fake' elector scheme comes back in so trump gets the electoral college votes and it's all signed off as legal.
Thats what trump means when he says "I don't need the votes"
RustyMX5 said:
Don't like all those Hispanic murders, rapists and drug dealers? Not a problem. They can be rounded up and put into special areas where they can all live together. We'll call them Hettos (Hispanic Ghettos). But there are quite a few of them and really they should work for a living so perhaps we should put them all in camps where work can set them free. Human rights? Pah. The law now states that a sitting president can do whatever he or she wants with absolute immunity.
This ruling has the potential to open the door to extremism. There would be nothing to stop presidents (Trump / Biden or anyone who comes after) to bring back segregation, ban all religions except a specific brand of Christianity, place the country on a war footing to invade any country it feels like or almost anything else potus desires.
I’m pretty sure it does not allow that. There is stuff about still having the balances with Congress etc, that you don’t overlap there. It’s more than if a POTUS tried to do it Congress could block etc, but not then go after the POTUS for trying to do it, even if clearly illegal.This ruling has the potential to open the door to extremism. There would be nothing to stop presidents (Trump / Biden or anyone who comes after) to bring back segregation, ban all religions except a specific brand of Christianity, place the country on a war footing to invade any country it feels like or almost anything else potus desires.
It’s stuff that is normal part of the POTUS job is covered (for example public speeches even if they incite violence, firing state employees even if for illegal purposes etc) but does not say POTUS can do anything where Congress would normally have a power balance on the president too.
Byker28i said:
Opens the door completely to trump stealing the next election - in fact Scotus gave him permission to do it and pointed out all the advantages to him doing it
I'm expecting him to lose it with votes, then those 'fake' elector scheme comes back in so trump gets the electoral college votes and it's all signed off as legal.
Thats what trump means when he says "I don't need the votes"
Surely it isn't as one-sided as that?I'm expecting him to lose it with votes, then those 'fake' elector scheme comes back in so trump gets the electoral college votes and it's all signed off as legal.
Thats what trump means when he says "I don't need the votes"
Can't Biden, post election but pre-handover, simply have all the fake electors locked up/assassinated, etc?
Or is the reference to 'President' contingent on that person being called Donald J Trump?
NRS said:
RustyMX5 said:
Don't like all those Hispanic murders, rapists and drug dealers? Not a problem. They can be rounded up and put into special areas where they can all live together. We'll call them Hettos (Hispanic Ghettos). But there are quite a few of them and really they should work for a living so perhaps we should put them all in camps where work can set them free. Human rights? Pah. The law now states that a sitting president can do whatever he or she wants with absolute immunity.
This ruling has the potential to open the door to extremism. There would be nothing to stop presidents (Trump / Biden or anyone who comes after) to bring back segregation, ban all religions except a specific brand of Christianity, place the country on a war footing to invade any country it feels like or almost anything else potus desires.
I’m pretty sure it does not allow that. There is stuff about still having the balances with Congress etc, that you don’t overlap there. It’s more than if a POTUS tried to do it Congress could block etc, but not then go after the POTUS for trying to do it, even if clearly illegal.This ruling has the potential to open the door to extremism. There would be nothing to stop presidents (Trump / Biden or anyone who comes after) to bring back segregation, ban all religions except a specific brand of Christianity, place the country on a war footing to invade any country it feels like or almost anything else potus desires.
It’s stuff that is normal part of the POTUS job is covered (for example public speeches even if they incite violence, firing state employees even if for illegal purposes etc) but does not say POTUS can do anything where Congress would normally have a power balance on the president too.
Supreme Court Ruling Page 7 said:
No matter the context, the President’s authority to act necessarily “stem[s] either from an act of Congress or from the Constitution itself.” Youngstown, 343 U. S., at 585. In the latter case, the President’s authority is sometimes “conclusive and preclusive.” Id., at 638 (Jackson, J., concurring). When the President exercises such authority, he may act even when the measures he takes are “incompatible with the expressed or implied will of Congress.” Id., at 637.
The exclusive constitutional authority of the President “disabl[es] the Congress from acting upon the subject.” Id., at 637–638. And the courts have “no power to control [the President’s] discretion” when he acts pursuant to the powers invested exclusively in him by the Constitution
The exclusive constitutional authority of the President “disabl[es] the Congress from acting upon the subject.” Id., at 637–638. And the courts have “no power to control [the President’s] discretion” when he acts pursuant to the powers invested exclusively in him by the Constitution
p1stonhead said:
Nigel_O said:
p1stonhead said:
Surely that appeal will fail, as the crimes were committed before he was elected president.The hush money stuff had f
k all to do with a presidential act.So falls outside of the exemption
Prolex-UK said:
p1stonhead said:
Nigel_O said:
p1stonhead said:
Surely that appeal will fail, as the crimes were committed before he was elected president.The hush money stuff had f
k all to do with a presidential act.So falls outside of the exemption
Which is what will happen with literally everything shady he’s ever done. He will just have his lawyers come up with some obscure reason why it might be considered official, and run it though the courts for years and years. And guess what happens when his challenge gets all the way to the SCOTUS which he basically created in his image?
Yeah…
Prolex-UK said:
p1stonhead said:
Nigel_O said:
p1stonhead said:
Surely that appeal will fail, as the crimes were committed before he was elected president.The hush money stuff had f
k all to do with a presidential act.So falls outside of the exemption
RustyMX5 said:
NRS said:
RustyMX5 said:
Don't like all those Hispanic murders, rapists and drug dealers? Not a problem. They can be rounded up and put into special areas where they can all live together. We'll call them Hettos (Hispanic Ghettos). But there are quite a few of them and really they should work for a living so perhaps we should put them all in camps where work can set them free. Human rights? Pah. The law now states that a sitting president can do whatever he or she wants with absolute immunity.
This ruling has the potential to open the door to extremism. There would be nothing to stop presidents (Trump / Biden or anyone who comes after) to bring back segregation, ban all religions except a specific brand of Christianity, place the country on a war footing to invade any country it feels like or almost anything else potus desires.
I’m pretty sure it does not allow that. There is stuff about still having the balances with Congress etc, that you don’t overlap there. It’s more than if a POTUS tried to do it Congress could block etc, but not then go after the POTUS for trying to do it, even if clearly illegal.This ruling has the potential to open the door to extremism. There would be nothing to stop presidents (Trump / Biden or anyone who comes after) to bring back segregation, ban all religions except a specific brand of Christianity, place the country on a war footing to invade any country it feels like or almost anything else potus desires.
It’s stuff that is normal part of the POTUS job is covered (for example public speeches even if they incite violence, firing state employees even if for illegal purposes etc) but does not say POTUS can do anything where Congress would normally have a power balance on the president too.
Supreme Court Ruling Page 7 said:
No matter the context, the President’s authority to act necessarily “stem[s] either from an act of Congress or from the Constitution itself.” Youngstown, 343 U. S., at 585. In the latter case, the President’s authority is sometimes “conclusive and preclusive.” Id., at 638 (Jackson, J., concurring). When the President exercises such authority, he may act even when the measures he takes are “incompatible with the expressed or implied will of Congress.” Id., at 637.
The exclusive constitutional authority of the President “disabl[es] the Congress from acting upon the subject.” Id., at 637–638. And the courts have “no power to control [the President’s] discretion” when he acts pursuant to the powers invested exclusively in him by the Constitution
The exclusive constitutional authority of the President “disabl[es] the Congress from acting upon the subject.” Id., at 637–638. And the courts have “no power to control [the President’s] discretion” when he acts pursuant to the powers invested exclusively in him by the Constitution
greygoose said:
Sadly with such a corrupt Supreme Court I am not sure that anything is impossible now, they will back Trump whatever he does, America is in a dark hole.
The old saying about four boxes.1. Soap
2. Ballot
3. Jury
4. Ammo
Let's hope that the ballot box works because the jury has failed and no one wants to see what happens when the ammo box is required.
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