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The one thing I'll say about Lando (who to be fair Paistri is being compared against) is he has the look of someone who'll fold under pressure. I'm not directly thinking about Russia even though it sort of looked like it there too but in the same way I'd expect Charles to implode in a title fight against Max, I reckon Lando would be worse.
Lovely lad but he just doesn't seem to have that certain last couple of percent.
Lovely lad but he just doesn't seem to have that certain last couple of percent.
F1GTRUeno said:
Did he struggle against Irvine or lose out to Herbert though?
1994 he finished with 17 more points than Irvine and finished 6th versus 16th.
1995 was closer but he had one more point than him and finished 11th versus 12th
1999 he consistently ran at the front whereas Herbert didn't and Johnny only finished close-ish to him in points by virtue of the win at the Nürburgring - 21 to 15 and 7th versus 8th.
Sorry to go OT in the Piastri thread.
1994 - Irvine's first full season1994 he finished with 17 more points than Irvine and finished 6th versus 16th.
1995 was closer but he had one more point than him and finished 11th versus 12th
1999 he consistently ran at the front whereas Herbert didn't and Johnny only finished close-ish to him in points by virtue of the win at the Nürburgring - 21 to 15 and 7th versus 8th.
Sorry to go OT in the Piastri thread.
1995 - hardly a stellar result unless you think Irvine was the second coming, and he got overlooked for Irvine at Ferrari
1999 - broken legs Johnny kept him honest
and then when he went to Ferrari was clearly not the leader there. And then got beat by Jenson in the best car on the grid. Barrichello was a good driver but not a world champ. Just like Piastri will be.
MustangGT said:
That makes no sense whatsoever. Since they are young they have many years left to get into a dominant car.
To me, both drivers are very good, probably well inside the top half of this years drivers.
It makes lots of sense. Look how long Hamilton is going on for. Max isn't going anywhere whilst RB are dominant. Should Perez leave, then I could see Piastri in the seat, but he won't beat Max. It' s all about timing.To me, both drivers are very good, probably well inside the top half of this years drivers.
Piastri is only a couple of years younger than Max, and soon will be old news as the next hot shot comes along. Russell, Norris, Leclerc, Sainz, Piastri will be kept in a holding pattern until either the team they are with produces a world beater or they move to replace or join Max or Hamilton somewhere. And not all of them will get that opportunity.
Pflanzgarten said:
The one thing I'll say about Lando (who to be fair Paistri is being compared against) is he has the look of someone who'll fold under pressure. I'm not directly thinking about Russia even though it sort of looked like it there too but in the same way I'd expect Charles to implode in a title fight against Max, I reckon Lando would be worse.
Lovely lad but he just doesn't seem to have that certain last couple of percent.
He did have an unusual crash whilst trying and failing to stay ahead of Piastri in qualifying in Saudi, but for most of the first half of the season has had a little margin particularly in race pace. Lovely lad but he just doesn't seem to have that certain last couple of percent.
I am not sure we can compare current drivers to historic drivers based on their rookie year performance anymore. Performance in F1 nowadays is so much about managing the cars and the tyres over the stint and over the race. There is practically no testing in this era.
That said it should be noted that Piastri had a very comprehensive test program with Alpine before he made his Mclaren debut- again, many current drivers only had one winter to prepare.
Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
Piastri is only a couple of years younger than Max, and soon will be old news as the next hot shot comes along. Russell, Norris, Leclerc, Sainz, Piastri will be kept in a holding pattern until either the team they are with produces a world beater or they move to replace or join Max or Hamilton somewhere. And not all of them will get that opportunity.
This is the thing, because Verstappen came into F1 when he was 17, at 25 he is already into his 9th season of F1. Alonso is still getting podiums at the age of 42, so Verstappen could easily be in F1 for another 15+ years if he wanted to be.He already has 2 (3 in reality) WDCs and 45 wins, what are his stats going to be like if he does race into his 40s?
We currently have the best driver in an utterly dominant car, nobody else is going to get a look in. Unless Red Bull start producing a terrible car, none of these young drivers are going to have a chance. I don't think Red Bull would be stupid enough to put someone like Piastri in the second Red Bull because it never goes well when you have two drivers fighting each other. They need a journeyman like Perez who knows his place and is happy to do what he is told.
Piastri is never going to be WDC all the time Max is around, and as you say he is only a few years younger than Max.
Joey Deacon said:
This is the thing, because Verstappen came into F1 when he was 17, at 25 he is already into his 9th season of F1. Alonso is still getting podiums at the age of 42, so Verstappen could easily be in F1 for another 15+ years if he wanted to be.
He already has 2 (3 in reality) WDCs and 45 wins, what are his stats going to be like if he does race into his 40s?
We currently have the best driver in an utterly dominant car, nobody else is going to get a look in. Unless Red Bull start producing a terrible car, none of these young drivers are going to have a chance. I don't think Red Bull would be stupid enough to put someone like Piastri in the second Red Bull because it never goes well when you have two drivers fighting each other. They need a journeyman like Perez who knows his place and is happy to do what he is told.
Piastri is never going to be WDC all the time Max is around, and as you say he is only a few years younger than Max.
I don't know about that. Max is clearly very fast, and coupled with the RB dominance, is unbeatable. As yet, he has not been tested (since 2021) against a very good driver in a nearly equal car. 2021 did not go so well for him, it showed a lack of race craft throughout, let alone bending rules.He already has 2 (3 in reality) WDCs and 45 wins, what are his stats going to be like if he does race into his 40s?
We currently have the best driver in an utterly dominant car, nobody else is going to get a look in. Unless Red Bull start producing a terrible car, none of these young drivers are going to have a chance. I don't think Red Bull would be stupid enough to put someone like Piastri in the second Red Bull because it never goes well when you have two drivers fighting each other. They need a journeyman like Perez who knows his place and is happy to do what he is told.
Piastri is never going to be WDC all the time Max is around, and as you say he is only a few years younger than Max.
Until such time that he has to use race craft and fair driving and beats a very good driver all we can say is that he is exceptionally fast.
Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
MustangGT said:
That makes no sense whatsoever. Since they are young they have many years left to get into a dominant car.
To me, both drivers are very good, probably well inside the top half of this years drivers.
It makes lots of sense. Look how long Hamilton is going on for. Max isn't going anywhere whilst RB are dominant. Should Perez leave, then I could see Piastri in the seat, but he won't beat Max. It' s all about timing.To me, both drivers are very good, probably well inside the top half of this years drivers.
Piastri is only a couple of years younger than Max, and soon will be old news as the next hot shot comes along. Russell, Norris, Leclerc, Sainz, Piastri will be kept in a holding pattern until either the team they are with produces a world beater or they move to replace or join Max or Hamilton somewhere. And not all of them will get that opportunity.
Supersam83 said:
So P2 in the sprint race due to picking up the pieces from MV Vs LN and P2 in the main race due to picking up pieces from MV Vs LN.
I thought in the Sprint, he ruined McLarens (and therefore Landos) chance of a win by passing Lando after Landos failed attempt to get past Max. Oscar was then nowhere near quick enough to keep Max within DRS and McLarens chance of the win was gone. Team orders should have been used to keep him behind Lando and let Lando keep going at Max.
kambites said:
Can't blame Piastri for that though. No driver is going to let his teammate past without being told to.
Errrr, that’s what I said. McLaren should have told him to stay out of it or let Lando by once he’d recovered. With ‘Sainz in Singapore’ style DRS management, Oscar could possibly have got past Max too.
Piastri has continued to impress me, as mentioned by others, he still needs to work on his race pace - but having said that other highly-rated drivers who have been in the sport far longer than he has still chew through tyres (I'm thinking of George Russell specifically here).
His qualifying pace has really impressed me - to be so close to Lando in only his second season is very good and even with the odd duff performance like Barcelona, he has more than justified McLaren's decision to drop Ricciardo for him.
He also seems to keep a very cool head under pressure - if he can sort the race pace and tyre management issues, I think he'd be excellent in a championship scrap.
His qualifying pace has really impressed me - to be so close to Lando in only his second season is very good and even with the odd duff performance like Barcelona, he has more than justified McLaren's decision to drop Ricciardo for him.
He also seems to keep a very cool head under pressure - if he can sort the race pace and tyre management issues, I think he'd be excellent in a championship scrap.
Dashnine said:
kambites said:
Can't blame Piastri for that though. No driver is going to let his teammate past without being told to.
Errrr, that’s what I said. McLaren should have told him to stay out of it or let Lando by once he’d recovered. With ‘Sainz in Singapore’ style DRS management, Oscar could possibly have got past Max too.
Piastri is a very strong driver, if a little robotic, which I think is brilliant.
The Norris-Piastri show is great for McLaren, in a similar vein, but probably more so, than the Sainz-Norris era. The serious racing driver and the clown makes for a great dynamic in the team. Sometimes, I swear you can see Piastri searching the program files to try and find the appropriate program to deal with Lando'a tomfoolery.
Ron must be raging. Life is sweet.
The Norris-Piastri show is great for McLaren, in a similar vein, but probably more so, than the Sainz-Norris era. The serious racing driver and the clown makes for a great dynamic in the team. Sometimes, I swear you can see Piastri searching the program files to try and find the appropriate program to deal with Lando'a tomfoolery.
Ron must be raging. Life is sweet.
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