Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party? (Vol. 2)
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eharding said:
Conventional web search engines do have issues with finding material that doesn't actually exist. You might want to try getting ChatGPT to invent something for you.
I asked Claude (I don't remember this either although I do remember 2015).Claude said:
Thank you for providing the specific claim. As a political historian, I will now investigate the accuracy of the statement and provide guidance on locating reliable sources.
Claim: "When Blair won with a landslide, newspapers carried reports of Labour supporters gathering outside government buildings in London who then swore and spat at office workers, including female admin staff leaving their jobs."
Assessment: After thorough research, I have found no credible evidence to support this claim. Reputable historical sources, such as academic journals, books by respected political historians, and archives of major newspapers from the time period, do not mention any incidents of Labour supporters harassing or assaulting administrative staff following Tony Blair's landslide victory in the 1997 general election.
While it is possible that some newspapers may have reported isolated incidents of misconduct, it is crucial to verify the reliability of these sources and cross-reference them with other reputable outlets. Sensationalized or unsubstantiated reports should be treated with skepticism, particularly if they are not corroborated by multiple trustworthy sources.
Suggested sources for further investigation:
1. The British Library's newspaper archives, which include digital copies of major national and regional newspapers from the time period.
2. Official government records and police reports from May 1997, which would likely document any significant disturbances or incidents of harassment.
3. Books and academic articles written by respected political historians and journalists that provide a comprehensive account of the events following the 1997 general election.
Context: Tony Blair's Labour Party won a landslide victory in the 1997 general election, securing 418 seats in the House of Commons and ending 18 years of Conservative rule. The transition of power was largely peaceful, with no widespread reports of violence or harassment by Labour supporters. While political tensions may have been high, it is essential to rely on factual evidence rather than unsubstantiated claims when evaluating historical events.
In conclusion, based on the lack of credible evidence from reliable sources, the claim that Labour supporters harassed and assaulted administrative staff following Tony Blair's landslide victory appears to be unsubstantiated. It is important to approach such claims with a critical eye and to base conclusions on verifiable facts rather than hearsay or isolated reports.
Claim: "When Blair won with a landslide, newspapers carried reports of Labour supporters gathering outside government buildings in London who then swore and spat at office workers, including female admin staff leaving their jobs."
Assessment: After thorough research, I have found no credible evidence to support this claim. Reputable historical sources, such as academic journals, books by respected political historians, and archives of major newspapers from the time period, do not mention any incidents of Labour supporters harassing or assaulting administrative staff following Tony Blair's landslide victory in the 1997 general election.
While it is possible that some newspapers may have reported isolated incidents of misconduct, it is crucial to verify the reliability of these sources and cross-reference them with other reputable outlets. Sensationalized or unsubstantiated reports should be treated with skepticism, particularly if they are not corroborated by multiple trustworthy sources.
Suggested sources for further investigation:
1. The British Library's newspaper archives, which include digital copies of major national and regional newspapers from the time period.
2. Official government records and police reports from May 1997, which would likely document any significant disturbances or incidents of harassment.
3. Books and academic articles written by respected political historians and journalists that provide a comprehensive account of the events following the 1997 general election.
Context: Tony Blair's Labour Party won a landslide victory in the 1997 general election, securing 418 seats in the House of Commons and ending 18 years of Conservative rule. The transition of power was largely peaceful, with no widespread reports of violence or harassment by Labour supporters. While political tensions may have been high, it is essential to rely on factual evidence rather than unsubstantiated claims when evaluating historical events.
In conclusion, based on the lack of credible evidence from reliable sources, the claim that Labour supporters harassed and assaulted administrative staff following Tony Blair's landslide victory appears to be unsubstantiated. It is important to approach such claims with a critical eye and to base conclusions on verifiable facts rather than hearsay or isolated reports.
I doubt this will be a vote winner for Labour
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/labour-will-...
As many have said the election to watch is the next one.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/labour-will-...
As many have said the election to watch is the next one.
JagLover said:
I doubt this will be a vote winner for Labour
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/labour-will-...
As many have said the election to watch is the next one.
If she's still living between two houses, one of those could be made available.https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/labour-will-...
As many have said the election to watch is the next one.
turbobloke said:
JagLover said:
I doubt this will be a vote winner for Labour
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/labour-will-...
As many have said the election to watch is the next one.
If she's still living between two houses, one of those could be made available.https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/labour-will-...
As many have said the election to watch is the next one.
hidetheelephants said:
turbobloke said:
JagLover said:
I doubt this will be a vote winner for Labour
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/labour-will-...
As many have said the election to watch is the next one.
If she's still living between two houses, one of those could be made available.https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/labour-will-...
As many have said the election to watch is the next one.
turbobloke said:
hidetheelephants said:
turbobloke said:
JagLover said:
I doubt this will be a vote winner for Labour
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/labour-will-...
As many have said the election to watch is the next one.
If she's still living between two houses, one of those could be made available.https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/labour-will-...
As many have said the election to watch is the next one.
hidetheelephants said:
turbobloke said:
hidetheelephants said:
turbobloke said:
JagLover said:
I doubt this will be a vote winner for Labour
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/labour-will-...
As many have said the election to watch is the next one.
If she's still living between two houses, one of those could be made available.https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/labour-will-...
As many have said the election to watch is the next one.
Your diversionary whataboutery on the other hand, fits the bill better. The discussion was around Rayner.
That's two nerves now, steady on! Thought: have the last word, you may feel better for it.
motco said:
This little snippet might not endear SKS to the Moslem community.
Well I clicked on that and after reading a few words I got:Want more from the JC?
To continue reading, we just need a few details...
Well if you think I'm going to be handing over my details to "JC" then you can think again.I didn't trust JC when he was Labour leader and I certainly don't feel it necessary to risk it now
119 said:
Seems like him and Ange havent really spoken in the last few days.
He's just been on the telly telling us is going to secure our borders, giving home grown talent more opportunity.
Or something.
Its a great tactic: I want this... so vote labour, coz Sir Kier said you'll get itHe's just been on the telly telling us is going to secure our borders, giving home grown talent more opportunity.
Or something.
I wanr the opposite... so vote labour, coz Ange said you'll get it
Gender is still a problem for Starmer. Did anyone catch the BBC R5 call-in? Apparently there was another uncomfortable moment when SKS clashed with a female caller who wanted to know why Starmer was “not listening to biological women when they say they don’t want to share a space with biological men”. When he didged the question by talking about his time as Chief Prosecutor, the caller replied by accusing him of “absolute twaddle”.
Labour have a free pass to No 10 this time around, prepare for five years of ineptitude, flip flops,
Starmer will be asking for another five years 2029 following a period of nothingness.
‘smash the gangs’ talk is an insult to the electorate, does he think we do not look at mainland Europe and how they are controlling the migrant crisis. Clue, they can’t and nor can starmer, even though his father was a toolmaker
Starmer will be asking for another five years 2029 following a period of nothingness.
‘smash the gangs’ talk is an insult to the electorate, does he think we do not look at mainland Europe and how they are controlling the migrant crisis. Clue, they can’t and nor can starmer, even though his father was a toolmaker
crankedup5 said:
Labour have a free pass to No 10 this time around, prepare for five years of ineptitude, flip flops,
Starmer will be asking for another five years 2029 following a period of nothingness.
‘smash the gangs’ talk is an insult to the electorate, does he think we do not look at mainland Europe and how they are controlling the migrant crisis. Clue, they can’t and nor can starmer, even though his father was a toolmaker
His father certainly made at least one impeccable tool.Starmer will be asking for another five years 2029 following a period of nothingness.
‘smash the gangs’ talk is an insult to the electorate, does he think we do not look at mainland Europe and how they are controlling the migrant crisis. Clue, they can’t and nor can starmer, even though his father was a toolmaker
I see they are going to come after private pensions again.
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