Contractors: IR35 & general discussion

[eps]

Going perm on Monday...!!! First time in about 25 years.

[Blown2CV]

best of luck

also going perm on 8th but only 2 years for me

[Olivera]

"I'll give you my [contracting] when you pry (or take) it from my cold, dead hands"

[Bluedot]

eps said:

Going perm on Monday...!!! First time in about 25 years.

Went perm a few years back after 25 years contracting.
Don't regret it one bit, you don't realise how much hassle contracting is until you leave it behind, the whole IR35 mess can be all consuming.

Good luck in your new role

[p1stonhead]

Olivera said:

"I'll give you my [contracting] when you pry (or take) it from my cold, dead hands"

I’m currently here.

Never say never but I’d literally be have to be down to my last pennies to consider it.

[Ynox]

Debating jumping on from my current (permie) gig.

Got a fair few quid in the bank and nearly 20 years experience slinging software. Always been a permie. Thought maybe it's time to go contract (finally fed up of corporate crap) and that maybe the market had improved a bit - last few pages has convinced me otherwise (although my current permie co is still doing outside IR35 and good rates so there are some places out there).

Good luck all.

[Guvernator]

p1stonhead said:

I’m currently here.

Never say never but I’d literally be have to be down to my last pennies to consider it.

There is no permie job I could take that wouldn't be a 50% pay cut at this stage which would have a drastic effect on my finances or retirement plans.

I'll keep contracting till I retire if I can.

[Lefty]

Guvernator said:

p1stonhead said:

I’m currently here.

Never say never but I’d literally be have to be down to my last pennies to consider it.

There is no permie job I could take that wouldn't be a 50% pay cut at this stage which would have a drastic effect on my finances or retirement plans.

I'll keep contracting till I retire if I can.

Only 50%?

:wink:

[Pit Pony]

eps said:

Going perm on Monday...!!! First time in about 25 years.

Come back a year from now when you are having your 12 monthly career development review.

Just had mine. Its the first time I've had one in 15 years.

And the first time, that I've actually felt my boss was impressed. That's what contracting did for me. Being able to bullst a decent score in an appraisal.

I feel like the level I'm at in this company is not high enough to influence the decision making, and yet, I really don't want to manage other people.
I see the management making strange decisions, but am not party to the constraints they had to consider.
It didn't matter to me when I was contracting.
What's the rate? When do you need it by? That's the only two things that mattered.

[blueg33]

Pit Pony said:

eps said:

Going perm on Monday...!!! First time in about 25 years.

Come back a year from now when you are having your 12 monthly career development review.

Just had mine. Its the first time I've had one in 15 years.

And the first time, that I've actually felt my boss was impressed. That's what contracting did for me. Being able to bullst a decent score in an appraisal.

I feel like the level I'm at in this company is not high enough to influence the decision making, and yet, I really don't want to manage other people.
I see the management making strange decisions, but am not party to the constraints they had to consider.
It didn't matter to me when I was contracting.
What's the rate? When do you need it by? That's the only two things that mattered.

I am a contractor, but I do get invoked in executive decisions. I wrote their current business strategy and they have asked me amongst other things to advise them as the implement it. So I get to comment on the strange decisions. I also have a sizeable team to manage. It’s quite intense and I work at least as hard as I did in permanent roles.

[p1stonhead]

blueg33 said:

Pit Pony said:

eps said:

Going perm on Monday...!!! First time in about 25 years.

Come back a year from now when you are having your 12 monthly career development review.

Just had mine. Its the first time I've had one in 15 years.

And the first time, that I've actually felt my boss was impressed. That's what contracting did for me. Being able to bullst a decent score in an appraisal.

I feel like the level I'm at in this company is not high enough to influence the decision making, and yet, I really don't want to manage other people.
I see the management making strange decisions, but am not party to the constraints they had to consider.
It didn't matter to me when I was contracting.
What's the rate? When do you need it by? That's the only two things that mattered.

I am a contractor, but I do get invoked in executive decisions. I wrote their current business strategy and they have asked me amongst other things to advise them as the implement it. So I get to comment on the strange decisions. I also have a sizeable team to manage. It’s quite intense and I work at least as hard as I did in permanent roles.

This sounds very much not a contractor and would get caught by IR35?

I’m no expert though. But I thought managerial roles were a lot more tricky to claim as a contractor?

[blueg33]

p1stonhead said:

This sounds very much not a contractor and would get caught by IR35?

I’m no expert though. But I thought managerial roles were a lot more tricky to claim as a contractor?

Checked via HMRC. It’s a 3 day a week role as a subcontractor to a consultancy. I was worried about it so got an HMRC ruling.

[Deep Thought]

Ynox said:

Debating jumping on from my current (permie) gig.

Got a fair few quid in the bank and nearly 20 years experience slinging software. Always been a permie. Thought maybe it's time to go contract (finally fed up of corporate crap) and that maybe the market had improved a bit - last few pages has convinced me otherwise (although my current permie co is still doing outside IR35 and good rates so there are some places out there).

Good luck all.

If you're waiting for the "right" time to go contracting, you'll never go contracting.

Do your own research RE: roles and availability. There can be ebb and flow within the market across different skill sets.

You may well be able to jump from your perm role straight in to a contract role with a small amount of luck.

A work colleague of mine has been a permie for several years. He was enticed back in to perm work with promises of career progression and promotion, none of which materialised. He handed in his notice two weeks ago and starts his contract role in two weeks time (at £1500 a day).

[Deep Thought]

Guvernator said:

p1stonhead said:

I’m currently here.

Never say never but I’d literally be have to be down to my last pennies to consider it.

There is no permie job I could take that wouldn't be a 50% pay cut at this stage which would have a drastic effect on my finances or retirement plans.

I'll keep contracting till I retire if I can.

Thats my view also. I've been contracting for 8 years now and if i'd another 4 years behind me with continued big pension contributions going in to my pension, i'll retire.

Perm would would see me having to work on notably beyond that, as like yourself it would be a 50% pay cut.

[Pit Pony]

Deep Thought said:

Ynox said:

Debating jumping on from my current (permie) gig.

Got a fair few quid in the bank and nearly 20 years experience slinging software. Always been a permie. Thought maybe it's time to go contract (finally fed up of corporate crap) and that maybe the market had improved a bit - last few pages has convinced me otherwise (although my current permie co is still doing outside IR35 and good rates so there are some places out there).

Good luck all.

If you're waiting for the "right" time to go contracting, you'll never go contracting.

Do your own research RE: roles and availability. There can be ebb and flow within the market across different skill sets.

You may well be able to jump from your perm role straight in to a contract role with a small amount of luck.

A work colleague of mine has been a permie for several years. He was enticed back in to perm work with promises of career progression and promotion, none of which materialised. He handed in his notice two weeks ago and starts his contract role in two weeks time (at £1500 a day).

All the contractors I've met started doing it after something pushed them out of a permie job including

Redundancy (most of them)
Being asked to leave because he'd been having an affair with a junior member of his team and she was making allegations to HR, when he tried to end it.
Throwing dummy out of pram when someone senior demanded something unethical (although not illegal) was done by him.
Being the victim of workplace bullying, and finding HR closed rank.
After a change of senior management. Technically redundancy, but more targeted with a big payoff.
After leaving the armed forces after 30 years and finding retirement wasn't all that challenging.
After retiring, and being re-engage as a consultant (big IR35 flag that one)
One group, that I despised. Those that were contracting outside IR35 via an umbrellor, on a temp to perm basis. That particular company recruited people desperate for a full time job on an agency footing, for 6 to 12 months whilst they sorted out head office approval for the headcount increase. The hiring manager asked me weekly if I'd take a permie role. Er no.

I've probably met 60 other contractors and other than that last group, none have resigned from a job to go contracting.

[Gazzab]

p1stonhead said:

This sounds very much not a contractor and would get caught by IR35?

I’m no expert though. But I thought managerial roles were a lot more tricky to claim as a contractor?

Depends.
Is the worker responsible for any of these duties for the end client? - Hiring workers
- Dismissing workers
- Delivering appraisals
- Deciding how much to pay someone
If not then it shouldn’t be an issue managing people (tasks).

[p1stonhead]

Gazzab said:

p1stonhead said:

This sounds very much not a contractor and would get caught by IR35?

I’m no expert though. But I thought managerial roles were a lot more tricky to claim as a contractor?

Depends.
Is the worker responsible for any of these duties for the end client? - Hiring workers
- Dismissing workers
- Delivering appraisals
- Deciding how much to pay someone
If not then it shouldn’t be an issue managing people (tasks).

Getting involved in business wide (executive) decisions seems odd. But he’s had it checked so all good! Perhaps I’m too cautious about how it all works!

[Countdown]

p1stonhead said:

Getting involved in business wide (executive) decisions seems odd. But he’s had it checked so all good! Perhaps I’m too cautious about how it all works!

I thought so as well. The link below provides some interesting clarification.

https://brooksonlegal.co.uk/news/ir35-consideratio...

I’m not saying it COULDN’’T be done but you’d need to be careful to stay outside of the lines.

[blueg33]

Gazzab said:

p1stonhead said:

This sounds very much not a contractor and would get caught by IR35?

I’m no expert though. But I thought managerial roles were a lot more tricky to claim as a contractor?

Depends.
Is the worker responsible for any of these duties for the end client? - Hiring workers
- Dismissing workers
- Delivering appraisals
- Deciding how much to pay someone
If not then it shouldn’t be an issue managing people (tasks).

I don’t do these things. I advise the board and manage a factory but the things on that list are not in my remit.

My NED work in another organisation is PAYE.

Edited by blueg33 on Saturday 29th June 15:59

[Deep Thought]

Pit Pony said:

All the contractors I've met started doing it after something pushed them out of a permie job including

Redundancy (most of them)
Being asked to leave because he'd been having an affair with a junior member of his team and she was making allegations to HR, when he tried to end it.
Throwing dummy out of pram when someone senior demanded something unethical (although not illegal) was done by him.
Being the victim of workplace bullying, and finding HR closed rank.
After a change of senior management. Technically redundancy, but more targeted with a big payoff.
After leaving the armed forces after 30 years and finding retirement wasn't all that challenging.
After retiring, and being re-engage as a consultant (big IR35 flag that one)
One group, that I despised. Those that were contracting outside IR35 via an umbrellor, on a temp to perm basis. That particular company recruited people desperate for a full time job on an agency footing, for 6 to 12 months whilst they sorted out head office approval for the headcount increase. The hiring manager asked me weekly if I'd take a permie role. Er no.

I've probably met 60 other contractors and other than that last group, none have resigned from a job to go contracting.

Not my experience of friends and colleagues who have went contracting. Worst has been because of "Right i've had enough of this st" moments in perm roles.

I know quite a few people who jumped ship to contracting from perm roles, myself included.

Everyone is different, of course.