Wimbledon school crash deaths - medical episodes & insurance

[Pica-Pica]

Drumroll said:

How do you know she hasn't had another one since the accident?

In view of the seriousness this accident how do you know additional tests were not carried out, that are not normally done?

There are no additional tests. All tests, ECG, EEG, sleep deprivation, and others would be carried out. Any secondary epilepsy episode would be by occurrence, not prediction

[Jeremy-75qq8]

Don Roque said:

How should such cases be decided? By gazing into the crystal ball? Don't be so fking stupid. For matters of such significance, proper consideration to all the evidence must be given and that takes time.

Thank you for your kind words.

I am unsure why you choose to use such language.

I don't believe it takes a year to determine the cause of an accident.

[Cudd Wudd]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

The basic MIB payment for an adult with no financial dependents was set at £11K. It could be even less for a child, I don't know. Had the woman been to blame, I suspect payments for the death of a child wouldn't be any more than that, and maybe less.

In a case involving a child, a bereavement award would equate to £15120. There may be other aspects in addition, but a successful civil claim overall would be higher than £11k. Still generally modest value though.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Cudd Wudd said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

The basic MIB payment for an adult with no financial dependents was set at £11K. It could be even less for a child, I don't know. Had the woman been to blame, I suspect payments for the death of a child wouldn't be any more than that, and maybe less.

In a case involving a child, a bereavement award would equate to £15120. There may be other aspects in addition, but a successful civil claim overall would be higher than £11k. Still generally modest value though.

Well it was a few years ago I handled the case, so yes, £15K ish now seems about right. But as you say, the sentiment is the same, it's crap.

Edited by TwigtheWonderkid on Saturday 29th June 12:38

[pork911]

Jeremy-75qq8 said:

Thank you for your kind words.

I am unsure why you choose to use such language.

I don't believe it takes a year to determine the cause of an accident.

In a justice system not stripped to the bone no.

[jdw100]

pavarotti1980 said:

jdw100 said:

You can have a seizure without it being epilepsy but you can't have an epileptic seizure without being epileptic.

You have to have two seizures to be considered epileptic.

Its used to generically to describe a seizure where the origin is the brain as opposed to fibrile convulsions or something endocrinological such as hypoglycaemia. They are then described in more granular detail

Epileptic seizure (finding)
SCTID: 313307000

313307000 | Epileptic seizure (finding) |
Epileptic seizure
Epileptic seizure (finding)
Epileptic convulsion
A transient occurrence of signs and/or symptoms due to abnormal excessive or synchronous neuronal activity in the brain, regardless of whether focal, generalized, or unknown onset, whether aware or impaired awareness, and whether motor or nonmotor.
https://termbrowser.nhs.uk/?perspective=full&c...

Edited by pavarotti1980 on Friday 28th June 16:28

Yep. That’s it.

[jdw100]

Drumroll said:

jdw100 said:

You can have a seizure without it being epilepsy but you can't have an epileptic seizure without being epileptic.

You have to have two seizures to be considered epileptic.

How do you know she hasn't had another one since the accident?

In view of the seriousness this accident how do you know additional tests were not carried out, that are not normally done?

What tests? Depending on the nature of the cause/type of epilepsy you’d have to wait until another episode or rig her up to a continuous EEG to monitor her 24hrs a day.

It’s a very very complex condition.

An MRI might show up a lesion - it didn’t for her, EEG’s were normal.

However that’s not to say she is not having events.

Took me 18 months to get a diagnosis because originally I just thought I sometimes couldn’t read for a second or two. I must be tired right? Or light flickering on to my ipad?

I get regular EEGs and recently its shown I’m getting them in a sleeping state…big spikes bam bam bam! I had no idea.

I have it though - things like words coming up out of the ground, spiralling round me and an intense fear that made me curl up in a ball. A full on tonic clonic after seeing an amorphous figure in a room - leading to a Ti shoulder and a bone graft. Frogs embedded in the surface of the pavement….etc etc…

It seems she had a seizure with no previous history of such, not one since, negative MRI and normal EEG. Does not mean she is not epileptic but does mean she cannot yet be described as epileptic as she has not had two events.

[MrJuice]

does the CPS publish details of their investigations?

I wonder if the lady had a blood test immediately after the incident. There's a blood marker that is very likely to be raised after a tonic clonic seizure that would show on bloods.

I am not sure what type of seizure the lady is said to have had.

[croyde]

Just heard on LBC that the police are reopening the investigation into this tragedy.

[BlueJazz]

croyde said:

Just heard on LBC that the police are reopening the investigation into this tragedy.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy4w6lqp4lo

[darreni]

I wonder what has made the police decide to reopen the case?

[Riley Blue]

darreni said:

I wonder what has made the police decide to reopen the case?

An internal review has "has identified a number of lines of enquiry that require further examination."

[MrJuice]

surveyor said:

But not charged…. So got them off nothing.

Actually a thorough and lengthy investigation where the CPS were happy this was a first and unexpected event.

I can understand and sympathise with the families. It’s obvious that they will not be happy, but it’s the reason why ultimately justice is left to independent persons, and the pursuit of charges left to experts rather that random idiots off the net.

In this type of situation, would the person under investigation have to see a CPS appointed doctor or could they choose the doctors who submitted reports?

Also, NHS records are easy enough to get for police. Private medical records, less so I imagine because who would they go to? If there was something hidden in some private medical records somewhere, how would the police know who to ask?

[essayer]

I suspect this is heading toward a Death by DD charge and then onto the driver to prove incapacity in court

[MrJuice]

In my mind, if this was a first ever seizure and came out the blue, it would be pretty easy for the police to come to this conclusion with the aid of a few experts. Why the need to "lawyer up" to the nth degree and why the enormous wait? Seems like a pretty easy conclusion to come to if this was truly a first ever seizure.

[Hugo Stiglitz v2]

The woman is believed to have acted (or possibly said) something immediately after the crash and witnesses weren't properly spoken to?

If it is the case that's a massive mess up.

[Chrisgr31]

Or have they found this wasnt the first black out she had

[darreni]

ITV news reported that the police were pursuing new lines of inquiry.

[wc98]

Jeez, talk about prolonging the heart wrenching agony for the parents. The incident as reported initially was bad enough, if it turns out this lady didn't have a fit or has had one before it's going to be even worse for the parents.

[okgo]

I’d rather justice than someone pulling a fast one if I was a parent of the children.