Another dog attack
Discussion
irc said:
I was walking my dog locally in a street I don't usually use. An XL Bully in a garden ran to its fence barking aggressively at my dogs on the far side of the road. Not muzzled. The fence was only 3 feet high. I will be avoiding that street. I think as it was in a garden and fenced it was probably legal.
The owner in the garden half heartedly told it to be quiet. She was a fairly small thing woman. No chance of controlling it if it decides to hop the fence.
Sounds like the fence is probably inadequate in relation to height but I wouldn't have expected any dog to be muzzled in its own gardenThe owner in the garden half heartedly told it to be quiet. She was a fairly small thing woman. No chance of controlling it if it decides to hop the fence.
The Malinois is a protector, I was always told that you had to involve kids in family dog training, so you’re always taking a risk introducing a baby with a tough breed like this.
A stupid, unacceptable risk.
I’m still for strict liability, the owner should face the penalty had they inflicted the injury themself.
I include tripping over pugs in this just as well as I do the big ‘security’ breeds and the massive jaw lot.
Any dog can get out of control, you shouldn’t have one you can’t get back into control, including when the primary restraint fails. Id suggest that no one can control a security or large bull breed in this scenario.
I once stopped an attack by a standard poodle of all things, it pulled the lead away from its 6 stone pensioner owner, to chase a squirrel and somehow transitioned onto some Chihuahua thing that its owner picked up and it went for them instead, I got a grip of it and stopped it, it had drew blood, but the little owner had no chance. So in that owners hand, that poodle was dangerous.
A stupid, unacceptable risk.
I’m still for strict liability, the owner should face the penalty had they inflicted the injury themself.
I include tripping over pugs in this just as well as I do the big ‘security’ breeds and the massive jaw lot.
Any dog can get out of control, you shouldn’t have one you can’t get back into control, including when the primary restraint fails. Id suggest that no one can control a security or large bull breed in this scenario.
I once stopped an attack by a standard poodle of all things, it pulled the lead away from its 6 stone pensioner owner, to chase a squirrel and somehow transitioned onto some Chihuahua thing that its owner picked up and it went for them instead, I got a grip of it and stopped it, it had drew blood, but the little owner had no chance. So in that owners hand, that poodle was dangerous.
Jamescrs said:
Sounds like the fence is probably inadequate in relation to height but I wouldn't have expected any dog to be muzzled in its own garden
That's the issue. No muzzle requirement but escape potential. The XL Bullys that killed a dog near me had escaped from a fenced garden. Roofless Toothless said:
By law, fences bordering a public thoroughfare can only be a maximum of one metre high. If your dog can jump it, it shouldn’t be in the front garden off the lead.
That's me and lots of my neighbours breaking the law then, a public alleyway goes down the side of my house, goes right then a few yards goes left, I reckon that's about 6 or 7 of us as we all have 6ft high fencing enclosing our rear gardens. HTP99 said:
That's me and lots of my neighbours breaking the law then, a public alleyway goes down the side of my house, goes right then a few yards goes left, I reckon that's about 6 or 7 of us as we all have 6ft high fencing enclosing our rear gardens.
Mine too at my previous house, and my parents house, both have 6ft fences with a public footpath down the side and have never had any issues in many years, I know the residents at the end of my street also have 6ft fences bordering public footpathsJamescrs said:
HTP99 said:
That's me and lots of my neighbours breaking the law then, a public alleyway goes down the side of my house, goes right then a few yards goes left, I reckon that's about 6 or 7 of us as we all have 6ft high fencing enclosing our rear gardens.
Mine too at my previous house, and my parents house, both have 6ft fences with a public footpath down the side and have never had any issues in many years, I know the residents at the end of my street also have 6ft fences bordering public footpathshttps://www.bpcollins.co.uk/wish-to-avoid-a-fence-...
irc said:
I was walking my dog locally in a street I don't usually use. An XL Bully in a garden ran to its fence barking aggressively at my dogs on the far side of the road. Not muzzled. The fence was only 3 feet high. I will be avoiding that street. I think as it was in a garden and fenced it was probably legal.
The owner in the garden half heartedly told it to be quiet. She was a fairly small thing woman. No chance of controlling it if it decides to hop the fence.
You shouldn't have to, but if I was in that position I'd do the same.The owner in the garden half heartedly told it to be quiet. She was a fairly small thing woman. No chance of controlling it if it decides to hop the fence.
There's a couple of women around here who walk some sort of bull terrier cross, whenever they see someone with another dog they'll move way over to the side or cross the road, and wait with the dog until they have passed by. Although the dog isn't reacting, remaining quiet and not pulling on the lead, the body language these women give off is enough to make me stay well away, to the point I've turned around and walked a different route rather than pass near them. They look so tense, and quite frankly I think if the dog wanted to go there's nothing either of them could do to hold it back.
No idea what goes through people's heads when they get a dog like this, does it really give you any pleasure walking something you obviously don't trust?
Zetec-S said:
irc said:
I was walking my dog locally in a street I don't usually use. An XL Bully in a garden ran to its fence barking aggressively at my dogs on the far side of the road. Not muzzled. The fence was only 3 feet high. I will be avoiding that street. I think as it was in a garden and fenced it was probably legal.
The owner in the garden half heartedly told it to be quiet. She was a fairly small thing woman. No chance of controlling it if it decides to hop the fence.
You shouldn't have to, but if I was in that position I'd do the same.The owner in the garden half heartedly told it to be quiet. She was a fairly small thing woman. No chance of controlling it if it decides to hop the fence.
There's a couple of women around here who walk some sort of bull terrier cross, whenever they see someone with another dog they'll move way over to the side or cross the road, and wait with the dog until they have passed by. Although the dog isn't reacting, remaining quiet and not pulling on the lead, the body language these women give off is enough to make me stay well away, to the point I've turned around and walked a different route rather than pass near them. They look so tense, and quite frankly I think if the dog wanted to go there's nothing either of them could do to hold it back.
No idea what goes through people's heads when they get a dog like this, does it really give you any pleasure walking something you obviously don't trust?
If it was mine it would have had a swift one way trip to the vet but then I would never have had a dog like that in the first place. Itss back story was typical. Never received any training and spent the first few years of its life in a van or on building sites with its owner. In everyone's best interests it died quite young so fortunately no person or other animal was badly injured while it was alive.
It's not just bigger dogs. Mate has a Frenchie that has small man syndrome and is an aggressive little f
ker. It really needs drop kicking down a deep hole but the aggression is just accepted.Shots fired at XL bully in street after woman attacked
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ced3wjvzx2lo
Local residents "some shocked at Police Response"
Personally I hope and trust the Police responded accordingly and if the dog was out of control then well done
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ced3wjvzx2lo
Local residents "some shocked at Police Response"
Personally I hope and trust the Police responded accordingly and if the dog was out of control then well done
Viper201 said:
They did not respond appropriately given that bullets were missing the dog and damaging cars. See the photo of the blue car with the bullet hole in the door. A ricochet could easily have hit a resident. No dog warden or dog catcher either.
Wouldn’t a bullet pass through a dog? I reckon it would. Appropriately? Who knows? If the dog was a risk to life and there was no alternative?
Wouldn't fancy having to take a shot at a bully. Small target. Residential area. Huge potential for misses and ricochets.
If they didn't take a shot and the dog subsequently injured someone they would be criticised for that as well.
Wouldn't fancy having to take a shot at a bully. Small target. Residential area. Huge potential for misses and ricochets.
If they didn't take a shot and the dog subsequently injured someone they would be criticised for that as well.
Taken from the Met Police's own authorised firearms description:
"They are accountable for any ballistic rounds that they may discharge in order to minimise any risk to the public."
Clearly failed on this occasion. The witness says the dog was not a threat to life. Either way its just like the police deliberately running down the young cow in Essex last week - over reacting.
"They are accountable for any ballistic rounds that they may discharge in order to minimise any risk to the public."
Clearly failed on this occasion. The witness says the dog was not a threat to life. Either way its just like the police deliberately running down the young cow in Essex last week - over reacting.
Edited by Viper201 on Saturday 29th June 23:01
Several reports of the dog out of control, somebody injured, if the owner was with the dog and it was under control none of that would have happened, The only concern I have is whether they took into consideration where a bullet might end up, the dead dog I couldn’t care less about. It’s time owners were liable as if they’d inflicted the harm personally. A human biting somebody viciously would not be taken lightly by the courts.
Viper201 said:
They did not respond appropriately given that bullets were missing the dog and damaging cars. See the photo of the blue car with the bullet hole in the door. A ricochet could easily have hit a resident. No dog warden or dog catcher either.
You seem to have (deliberately) missed the part where the dog attacked a woman who is still being treated for her injuries. I am quite happy with what they did in that case.andyA700 said:
Viper201 said:
They did not respond appropriately given that bullets were missing the dog and damaging cars. See the photo of the blue car with the bullet hole in the door. A ricochet could easily have hit a resident. No dog warden or dog catcher either.
You seem to have (deliberately) missed the part where the dog attacked a woman who is still being treated for her injuries. I am quite happy with what they did in that case.The use of firearms in close proximity to the public and without adequate backdrop is poor judgement.
I was always brought up to consider the risk associated with a backdrop that does not absorb the energy of the bullet, ricochets in this case were near guaranteed. Added to that, a moving and agile object [in this case the dog] would mean missed shots. The bullet into the car door was an example of a poor shot. Also running around with a rifle at close range is almost certainly going to exacerbate the issue.
I realise that some of the public would approve such an action, but just bear in mind that these shots can travel several miles and so the risk of injury can be high and widespread.
Did thay need to deal with the situation, probably, but perhaps animal handling experts may have been a better choice [in this case and the cow one].
I was always brought up to consider the risk associated with a backdrop that does not absorb the energy of the bullet, ricochets in this case were near guaranteed. Added to that, a moving and agile object [in this case the dog] would mean missed shots. The bullet into the car door was an example of a poor shot. Also running around with a rifle at close range is almost certainly going to exacerbate the issue.
I realise that some of the public would approve such an action, but just bear in mind that these shots can travel several miles and so the risk of injury can be high and widespread.
Did thay need to deal with the situation, probably, but perhaps animal handling experts may have been a better choice [in this case and the cow one].
Edited by carinatauk on Sunday 30th June 09:22
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