Discussion
redrabbit said:
PurplePenguin said:
Farage hasn’t destroyed the Conservative Party - that is on them.
Many of those who vote for reform are using it as a mechanism to invite the Tory party to have a good look at their behaviour in the absence of any other way of doing it.
Just vote Conservative then, if you are a Conservative. Return them in sufficient numbers that they aren't destroyed. Ensure they can rebuild from the centre right rather than from the far right. Unless if course, you want the latter...Many of those who vote for reform are using it as a mechanism to invite the Tory party to have a good look at their behaviour in the absence of any other way of doing it.
(Not you personally, Penguin - my comment is from a general perspective.)
redrabbit said:
Just vote Conservative then, if you are a Conservative. Return them in sufficient numbers that they aren't destroyed and can form the semblance of an effective opposition, which seems to me to be crucial regardless of whoever is in power. Ensure they can rebuild from the centre right, rather than from the far right. Unless, of course, you want the latter...
(Not you personally, Penguin - my comment is from a general perspective.)
i'm a natural conservative, but i can't vote for them currently as what truss did has been so damaging to so many. that's the main reason among many at the moment.(Not you personally, Penguin - my comment is from a general perspective.)
Edited by redrabbit on Thursday 27th June 22:04
vaud said:
uk66fastback said:
As an aside, has anyone still got that Lib Dem pic that used to be used on PH years ago which shows them as a weird mixture … if you know the pic, you know the pic …
This?
(Which you could have found by googling "pistonheads lib dems" /pedant)
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hstewie said:
I'm shocked, shocked I tell you!hstewie said:Incoming another lawsuit?
fourstardan said:
Reform is a bit like a message board (full of PHers), it seems to be only be being moderated when stuff is posted!
This video is disgusting but this just isn't what Farage stands for is it?
That depends on who you are. It is either representative of every Reform voter or a couple of mouthy idiots. Take your pick or see Farages reaction to it and make up your own mind. This video is disgusting but this just isn't what Farage stands for is it?
redrabbit said:
PurplePenguin said:
Farage hasn’t destroyed the Conservative Party - that is on them.
Many of those who vote for reform are using it as a mechanism to invite the Tory party to have a good look at their behaviour in the absence of any other way of doing it.
Just vote Conservative then, if you are a Conservative. Return them in sufficient numbers that they aren't destroyed and can form the semblance of an effective opposition, which seems to me to be crucial regardless of whoever is in power. Ensure they can rebuild from the centre right, rather than from the far right. Unless, of course, you want the latter...Many of those who vote for reform are using it as a mechanism to invite the Tory party to have a good look at their behaviour in the absence of any other way of doing it.
(Not you personally, Penguin - my comment is from a general perspective.)
Edited by redrabbit on Thursday 27th June 22:04
I don’t think they will actually take on board the seriousness of the situation unless they are decimated at the election - even then I’m not sure….
If Reform get seats, I think their policies will be too extreme to survive and the oxygen of publicity will expose them.
I’m more worried that a very large Labour majority will go to their heads to the detriment of the country.
PurplePenguin said:
I think it’s a mechanism to give the Tories a proper bloody nose as opposed to a little tap on the back of the hand.
<snip>
I’m more worried that a very large Labour majority will go to their heads to the detriment of the country.
I don't want to see them get a bloody nose that's far too good for them - I want to see them eviscerated for the s<snip>
I’m more worried that a very large Labour majority will go to their heads to the detriment of the country.
t storm of the last 5 yearsI'm not voting reform BTW
vaud said:
Said it before I will say it againWow
Now onto Reform UK. I note that Mr Farage moved swiftly to deal with some people who were unsuitable candidates
Reform UK said those making "unacceptable comments" will no longer be part of Mr Farage's campaign.
It's this kind of decisive incisive action that will register with people. It will also bode well for when his party formally merge with the Lib Dems to become the party that wants PR
redrabbit said:
I'm going to regret this, because despite considering the happy slapping level of political discourse in NP&E to be almost wholly risible, I am guilty of being drawn to these threads like a moth to a flame...
On this topic though:
As a (largely) lifelong labour voter, I abandoned the party under Corbyn. I had many, many issues with the party at that time but ultimately the stench of antisemitism alone was enough to drive me away.
The poster above who said not all Reform voters are racists, but all racists will vote for Reform, is absolutely on the money. That should give pause to others who are planning to vote for Reform to seriously consider what they are enabling. I'm prepared, at a stretch, to believe that Farage himself is not a racist, and merely an opportunist. But he also knows what he is enabling. I truly hope that the right thinking (in both senses of those words) in the electorate release that. Destruction of the Conservative Party at the hands of Farage, and a lurch to right wing populism, would surrender the last shreds of decency that this country has stood for, and fought for, for the last 100 years. Please don't do it.
This is quite right but unfortunately I think it will fall on wilfully deaf ears.On this topic though:
As a (largely) lifelong labour voter, I abandoned the party under Corbyn. I had many, many issues with the party at that time but ultimately the stench of antisemitism alone was enough to drive me away.
The poster above who said not all Reform voters are racists, but all racists will vote for Reform, is absolutely on the money. That should give pause to others who are planning to vote for Reform to seriously consider what they are enabling. I'm prepared, at a stretch, to believe that Farage himself is not a racist, and merely an opportunist. But he also knows what he is enabling. I truly hope that the right thinking (in both senses of those words) in the electorate release that. Destruction of the Conservative Party at the hands of Farage, and a lurch to right wing populism, would surrender the last shreds of decency that this country has stood for, and fought for, for the last 100 years. Please don't do it.
Asking why Farage attracts the sort of people he does is probably a bit uncomfortable for some of the people on this thread because it's basically asking them to insist they really don't endorse for any of the things he or his repellent candidates stand for whilst also saying they'll vote for it.
You're basically asking them say "I'm really not into any of this stuff but I'm about to vote for a guy who's putting forward loads of candidates with really gross views about black people and Muslims and Hitler and Putin and who are into following fascists on Facebook".
No wonder they get bloody defensive so downplay it or just ignore it - too close to home.
B'stard Child said:
PurplePenguin said:
I think it’s a mechanism to give the Tories a proper bloody nose as opposed to a little tap on the back of the hand.
<snip>
I’m more worried that a very large Labour majority will go to their heads to the detriment of the country.
I don't want to see them get a bloody nose that's far too good for them - I want to see them eviscerated for the s<snip>
I’m more worried that a very large Labour majority will go to their heads to the detriment of the country.
t storm of the last 5 yearsI'm not voting reform BTW
Edited by Elysium on Thursday 27th June 23:16
Elysium said:
B'stard Child said:
PurplePenguin said:
I think it’s a mechanism to give the Tories a proper bloody nose as opposed to a little tap on the back of the hand.
<snip>
I’m more worried that a very large Labour majority will go to their heads to the detriment of the country.
I don't want to see them get a bloody nose that's far too good for them - I want to see them eviscerated for the s<snip>
I’m more worried that a very large Labour majority will go to their heads to the detriment of the country.
t storm of the last 5 yearsI'm not voting reform BTW
s can be right sometimes - doesn't make them any less of a bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Asking why Farage attracts the sort of people he does is probably a bit uncomfortable for some of the people on this thread because it's basically asking them to insist they really don't endorse for any of the things he or his repellent candidates stand for whilst also saying they'll vote for it.
I would get some new panes for your greenhouse (red roses naturally). Not just volunteers but MPs ..https://inews.co.uk/news/labour-mps-candidates-sus...
Castrol for a knave said:
bhstewie said:
Ah look, the mask has slipped. hstewie said:otolith said:
Castrol for a knave said:
bhstewie said:
Ah look, the mask has slipped. hstewie said:Just the person I’d pick to represent this ‘party’.
jdw100 said:
otolith said:
Castrol for a knave said:
bhstewie said:
Ah look, the mask has slipped. hstewie said:Just the person I’d pick to represent this ‘party’.
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