45th President Of The United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 14)
Discussion
So I've watched it now. I think the fair summary is that
Biden missed a big opportunity, obviously struggled with his stutter and looked tired.
trump just lied the whole time, and did nothing to address the issues affecting him, lie after lie
However all the headlines will be /are about Bidens poor performance
Time for both to go... but whilst both are running...Dems need to get out and push the message consistently, together, combined like the GOP does
Biden missed a big opportunity, obviously struggled with his stutter and looked tired.
trump just lied the whole time, and did nothing to address the issues affecting him, lie after lie
However all the headlines will be /are about Bidens poor performance
Time for both to go... but whilst both are running...Dems need to get out and push the message consistently, together, combined like the GOP does
Edited by Byker28i on Friday 28th June 07:11
Piginapoke said:
Byker28i said:
trump refused to say that he'll accept the results of the 2024 election - again.
In fact he's been saying this all along, that he has other plans, that he doesn't need votes because he has other plans...
Amy more performances like that from Biden and he won’t need themIn fact he's been saying this all along, that he has other plans, that he doesn't need votes because he has other plans...
CNN final Poll was taken of 15 undecided voters in a battleground-state county Trump won in 2020.
BIDEN WON: 7
TRUMP WON: 7
UNDECIDED: 1
Biden sounded terrible, yet he was all substance.
trump sounded great, but his substance was all terrible lies
Edited by Byker28i on Friday 28th June 06:39
Let’s be clear: when we talk about winners and losers, we’re discussing oratory.
Trump lied with impunity from beginning to end. He showed contempt for the legal system, contempt for the electoral system, contempt for the constitution. So much of what he said has me despairing for a US under a 2nd Trump presidency.
But it is also true that Biden should have wiped the floor with him, and didn’t. I believe it was Mark Twain who said one shouldn’t argue with stupid people - they’ll drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience.
Biden can’t debate Trump on Trump’s terms. He made a grave mistake believing he could. He should have been dignified and made his points. If he insisted on fighting in the weeds with Trump, he should have had a series of well-prepared take-downs in hand.
As I’ve said above, I’d prefer Biden retire. Even if his job performance is exemplary, the US needs somebody to rally around. In that context, Biden is the not-Trump candidate.
Is that enough? Sadly there seem enough people taken in for reasons unknown by Trump that it may not be enough.
Trump lied with impunity from beginning to end. He showed contempt for the legal system, contempt for the electoral system, contempt for the constitution. So much of what he said has me despairing for a US under a 2nd Trump presidency.
But it is also true that Biden should have wiped the floor with him, and didn’t. I believe it was Mark Twain who said one shouldn’t argue with stupid people - they’ll drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience.
Biden can’t debate Trump on Trump’s terms. He made a grave mistake believing he could. He should have been dignified and made his points. If he insisted on fighting in the weeds with Trump, he should have had a series of well-prepared take-downs in hand.
As I’ve said above, I’d prefer Biden retire. Even if his job performance is exemplary, the US needs somebody to rally around. In that context, Biden is the not-Trump candidate.
Is that enough? Sadly there seem enough people taken in for reasons unknown by Trump that it may not be enough.
CNN ran their fact check of all of trumps lie. This should be repeated during the prime times and probably should have happened live
https://twitter.com/i/status/1806537982176121191
trump is still lying that he got the Veterans Choice program passed - when it was Obama that signed it.
trump claimed he put the cap on insulin prices, when it was Biden
So actually a poor evening for the moderators as well, allowing trump to tell his lies without challenge. Jake Tapper was the one who General Kelly told about trump calling veterans suckers and losers... Why was there no real time fact checking or response from the moderators?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1806537982176121191
trump is still lying that he got the Veterans Choice program passed - when it was Obama that signed it.
trump claimed he put the cap on insulin prices, when it was Biden
So actually a poor evening for the moderators as well, allowing trump to tell his lies without challenge. Jake Tapper was the one who General Kelly told about trump calling veterans suckers and losers... Why was there no real time fact checking or response from the moderators?
Edited by Byker28i on Friday 28th June 06:47
trump is unfit for office is trending on twitter
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23TrumpIsUnfitForOff...
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23TrumpIsUnfitForOff...
It should have been done live, most of them were lies he repeats at every rally and drafting rebuttals before hand would be simple.
Byker28i said:
CNN ran their fact check of all of trumps lie. This should be repeated during the prime times and probably should have happened live
https://twitter.com/i/status/1806537982176121191
https://twitter.com/i/status/1806537982176121191
hidetheelephants said:
It should have been done live, most of them were lies he repeats at every rally and drafting rebuttals before hand would be simple.
2 hours after the debate? When people will have switched off?Byker28i said:
CNN ran their fact check of all of trumps lie. This should be repeated during the prime times and probably should have happened live
https://twitter.com/i/status/1806537982176121191
https://twitter.com/i/status/1806537982176121191
Interesting claim that the Univision FG of undecided Latino voters, nearly every single undecided voter said they now support Biden, not Trump! Latinos were watching and listening and Trump sounded like a crazy liar.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1806527153388834916
From https://twitter.com/realMABarreto/status/180652715...
https://twitter.com/i/status/1806527153388834916
From https://twitter.com/realMABarreto/status/180652715...
If only the US would accept a woman. Harris came out fighting on Anderson
"Look at what happened during the course of the debate. Donald Trump lied over and over and over again. He would not disavow what happened on January 6. He would not give a clear answer on whether he would stand by the election results.."
https://twitter.com/i/status/1806531690032136289
"It was a slow start, I’m not going to debate that.. I’m talking about the choice in November. I’m talking about one of the most elections in our lifetime…"
https://twitter.com/i/status/1806534339318211003
"One person on that stage has the endorsement of their VP and that’s Joe Biden. Mike Pence is nowhere to be found and that’s why he has to look for someone else who will rubber stamp whatever he wants"
https://twitter.com/i/status/1806535555989287021
"Look at what happened during the course of the debate. Donald Trump lied over and over and over again. He would not disavow what happened on January 6. He would not give a clear answer on whether he would stand by the election results.."
https://twitter.com/i/status/1806531690032136289
"It was a slow start, I’m not going to debate that.. I’m talking about the choice in November. I’m talking about one of the most elections in our lifetime…"
https://twitter.com/i/status/1806534339318211003
"One person on that stage has the endorsement of their VP and that’s Joe Biden. Mike Pence is nowhere to be found and that’s why he has to look for someone else who will rubber stamp whatever he wants"
https://twitter.com/i/status/1806535555989287021
There was a couple of bits Biden did well.
trump claiming election fraud to which Biden responded
Biden: When you lost the first time, you appealed to courts across the country. Not one single court in America said any of your claims had any merit I doubt you’ll accept it because you’re a such a whiner. You can’t stand loss. Something snapped in you
https://twitter.com/i/status/1806517130969633159
and trump really didn't like Biden bringing up that he was voted the worse president
https://twitter.com/i/status/1806511896956482042
trump claiming election fraud to which Biden responded
Biden: When you lost the first time, you appealed to courts across the country. Not one single court in America said any of your claims had any merit I doubt you’ll accept it because you’re a such a whiner. You can’t stand loss. Something snapped in you
https://twitter.com/i/status/1806517130969633159
and trump really didn't like Biden bringing up that he was voted the worse president
https://twitter.com/i/status/1806511896956482042
Byker28i said:
So I've watched it now. I think the fair summary is that
Biden missed a big opportunity, obviously struggled with his stutter and looked tired.
trump just lied the whole time, and did nothing to address the issues affecting him, lie after lie
However all the headlines will be /are about Bidens poor performance
Time for both to go...
Just seen some Biden clips from last night leaders debate. Not sure the Democrats can keep up the pretence that Joe's fit for office.Biden missed a big opportunity, obviously struggled with his stutter and looked tired.
trump just lied the whole time, and did nothing to address the issues affecting him, lie after lie
However all the headlines will be /are about Bidens poor performance
Time for both to go...
It's insulting they've allowed their candidate to get this far into the leadership race as he surely is like this away from the cameras as well, and hasn't deteriorated overnight.
So undermines the Democrats saying anything about Trump
Jader1973 said:
All the need is to swap Biden out for a quick witted, intelligent 50 something and Trump would be buggered.
This is exactly the point. No matter how much the likes of Byker tell us not to believe our lyin' eyes, Biden is probably one of the few possible candidates who might lose to a clearly mental Trump.Then there's trump with his word salads - not sure what point he was trying to make
trump: All the things that we’ve done. Nobody has ever seen anything like it. Even from a medical standpoint, right to try where we can try space age materials instead of going to Asia
https://twitter.com/i/status/1806518204011016569
trump on his dementia, then they started talking about golf?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1806514525191168132
Trump: I aced them
Biden: You can see he is six foot five and only 225 pounds. I'm happy to play golf with you if you carry your own bag. Think you can do it?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1806515237748916714
Again how poor the moderators were - when asked what trump would do about childcare, they didn't hold him to the question. trumps response was "If he wins this election ... we probably won't have a country left anymore."
https://twitter.com/i/status/1806511990698807322
trumps lie about insulin - actually pointless to do these as CNN has fact checked so many lies I'd be here all day with the clips
https://twitter.com/i/status/1806509444450361471
trump: All the things that we’ve done. Nobody has ever seen anything like it. Even from a medical standpoint, right to try where we can try space age materials instead of going to Asia
https://twitter.com/i/status/1806518204011016569
trump on his dementia, then they started talking about golf?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1806514525191168132
Trump: I aced them
Biden: You can see he is six foot five and only 225 pounds. I'm happy to play golf with you if you carry your own bag. Think you can do it?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1806515237748916714
Again how poor the moderators were - when asked what trump would do about childcare, they didn't hold him to the question. trumps response was "If he wins this election ... we probably won't have a country left anymore."
https://twitter.com/i/status/1806511990698807322
trumps lie about insulin - actually pointless to do these as CNN has fact checked so many lies I'd be here all day with the clips
https://twitter.com/i/status/1806509444450361471
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