Polestar 4

[SDK]

The Polestar 4 is launched tomorrow and images just leaked show it has no rear window. Should be interesting to see the social media comments on this
You couldn’t see much out of the back of the Polestar 2, so a camera does make more sense.

I think it looks stunning

Some more details
- 544bhp
- 0 to 62 in 3.8 seconds
- 372 mile range (WLTP, in single motor version)
- Vehicle to load
- 200kW charging speeds
- 15.4 inch landscape display
- 0.26 drag coefficient
- From £55k, so likely £65k-70k for the top spec version

Edited by SDK on Monday 17th April 22:22

Edited by SDK on Monday 17th April 22:32

[ajap1979]

Yeah, like you say, you can’t see much out the window of the P*2, so high-def screen and a roof mounted camera could be a good solution. Think it looks great, and I love that gold colour.

[Cupid-stunt]

I was keen on the 3, thought it looked great and fits my requirements.

Then the price was revealed. It's near Taycan money and however good it is, the decision is tough.

This one looks great from the images but where it will land on price will be key.

[SDK]

The official Polestar 4 website is up now

https://media.polestar.com/us/en/media/pressreleas...
https://www.polestar.com/uk/polestar-4

Edited by SDK on Tuesday 18th April 04:23

[Oldwolf]

Can't see a photo of the boot open?

Looks nice to me. I've driven vans so used to driving without a rear window but not sure I'd want it in my daily.

[SWoll]

I do find it odd that the 4 is smaller and cheaper than the 3? Just naming them in order of release rather than logically by size/price?

£45-60k for the P2 and £80-85k for the P3. £55-70k would seem about right for this, although lease costs supporting the company car/SS market will of course be the important figure.

Oldwolf said:

Can't see a photo of the boot open?

Looks nice to me. I've driven vans so used to driving without a rear window but not sure I'd want it in my daily.

With a camera for the rear view mirror and parking I don't see it being an issue personally. The vast majority of modern cars have dreadful rear visibility anyway, especially with window tints. This should be an improvement.

[phil4]

SWoll said:

With a camera for the rear view mirror and parking I don't see it being an issue personally. The vast majority of modern cars have dreadful rear visibility anyway, especially with window tints.

Having tried a car with cam rear view, I know that for other drivers this might not work so well either, and I'd never opt of one. The problem is age.

If you use a normal rearview mirror you aren't focussing on the mirror, but the distance behind you. So you can go from looking at say 100m at the road ahead to 100m through the mirror behind you. All good.

If you now change that to a camera, you're not looking through it 100m, you're looking at say 50cm away. So your eyes have to refocus from 100m ahead, to 50cm ahead. And back again.

As you get older that doesn't work quite so well, and you take more time to do the refocus bit, to the point of not being really good to use. Oddly mirror cameras aren't so bad, as their screen are typically further away.

[raspy]

Such a high centre console running all the way along to the dash. I guess if you like that cocooned in feeling at the front of the cabin. I prefer EVs with more of an open design up front.

[ajap1979]

raspy said:

Such a high centre console running all the way along to the dash. I guess if you like that cocooned in feeling at the front of the cabin. I prefer EVs with more of an open design up front.

That was one of the attractions of the P*2 for me. Prefer feeling sat down in the car, rather than on it. I’m pleased Polestar are carrying this into their other models.

[TheDeuce]

phil4 said:

SWoll said:

With a camera for the rear view mirror and parking I don't see it being an issue personally. The vast majority of modern cars have dreadful rear visibility anyway, especially with window tints.

Having tried a car with cam rear view, I know that for other drivers this might not work so well either, and I'd never opt of one. The problem is age.

If you use a normal rearview mirror you aren't focussing on the mirror, but the distance behind you. So you can go from looking at say 100m at the road ahead to 100m through the mirror behind you. All good.

If you now change that to a camera, you're not looking through it 100m, you're looking at say 50cm away. So your eyes have to refocus from 100m ahead, to 50cm ahead. And back again.

As you get older that doesn't work quite so well, and you take more time to do the refocus bit, to the point of not being really good to use. Oddly mirror cameras aren't so bad, as their screen are typically further away.

Also surely it has top down surround camera view? That's pretty much my default these days. My iPace does have a rear windscreen but it's beyond useless - if someone painted it black I could go weeks before noticing

Anyway, whatever mix of camera/mirrors/top down is used, you only need a vague guide on a modern car as it's the sensors that let you know how close you're getting. I don't accept concerns about not being able to judge distance via a camera - plainly it's something that with practice becomes more natural and with the sensors beeping you can't really get it wrong. With top down/surround view you really can't fail to judge distance either.

I think the problem is people learning to trust something new. Or perhaps, accept something new...

[somouk]

Looks nice and is direct competition to the Model Y by the looks. Will be interesting to see how big the boot is and how it competes from a space and efficency perspective.

[NorthDave]

ajap1979 said:

That was one of the attractions of the P*2 for me. Prefer feeling sat down in the car, rather than on it. I’m pleased Polestar are carrying this into their other models.

I'm quite tall and felt like it interfered with my leg. I felt it a bit claustrophobic. Its a shame as I loved the car but that put me off.

[phil4]

TheDeuce said:

Anyway, whatever mix of camera/mirrors/top down is used, you only need a vague guide on a modern car as it's the sensors that let you know how close you're getting.

All true. Sorry though I was talking more about when you're driving forwards at reasonable speed, hence focus time is a problem. If just pottering round a car park it's not a problem as you say.

[raspy]

somouk said:

Looks nice and is direct competition to the Model Y by the looks. Will be interesting to see how big the boot is and how it competes from a space and efficency perspective.

500 litre boot

[rewild]

raspy said:

somouk said:

Looks nice and is direct competition to the Model Y by the looks. Will be interesting to see how big the boot is and how it competes from a space and efficency perspective.

500 litre boot

So useless then, like the rest of the range.

How do they manage to package these so badly? Huge on the outside, tiny on the inside. It's baffling, and disappointing because it's otherwise rather nice!

[ajap1979]

rewild said:

raspy said:

somouk said:

Looks nice and is direct competition to the Model Y by the looks. Will be interesting to see how big the boot is and how it competes from a space and efficency perspective.

500 litre boot

So useless then, like the rest of the range.

How do they manage to package these so badly? Huge on the outside, tiny on the inside. It's baffling, and disappointing because it's otherwise rather nice!

The trend is to prioritise occupant space over boot space. The 3 and 4 looks to have decent interior space, but smaller than average luggage space for the overall car size. That's going to suit some customers, and not others. The packaging on the 2 is compromised because it's based on an ICE platform, but the reality is that it looks like a big car, but it's not really, it's smaller than a 3-Series in length and width.

[filski666]

wonder if they are selling this in US where rear view cameras are currently (technically) illegal - although I noticed some US domestic SUVs offer them - not sure how they get around that bit of legislation (not allowed to view live video feed while driving)

[raspy]

rewild said:

So useless then, like the rest of the range.

How do they manage to package these so badly? Huge on the outside, tiny on the inside. It's baffling, and disappointing because it's otherwise rather nice!

What do you mean? It's a D segment coupe, just 4.8m long yet 3m long wheelbase, along with reclining rear seats. What aspect of that is "tiny" on the inside? Boot space may be a priority for you, but for some customers, they want a bigger interior rather than a bigger boot.

[ChocolateFrog]

SDK said:

The official Polestar 4 website is up now

https://media.polestar.com/us/en/media/pressreleas...
https://www.polestar.com/uk/polestar-4

Edited by SDK on Tuesday 18th April 04:23

So it's an electric BMW X6?

SUV Coupe

[ajap1979]

Ordering opens for these on the 31st, anyone interested?