Sargeant... please sack him!

[Scarletpimpofnel]

I'm fed up of his crashes disrupting races, qualifying... and even the outcome of a world championship!

Surely it is time for him to go?

[Presuming Ed]

World Championships? Wasn't that Mr Latifi

Agreed however, if Williams want to be taken seriously they do need to put someone that can drive into the second seat. They nicked Albon off RB, suggest they do the same with Liam Lawson

(No comparing Logan to Checo needed)

Edited by Presuming Ed on Monday 25th September 14:08

[TheDeuce]

He'll be done after this season. Liberty no doubt put pressure on in various ways to persuade the selection of an American driver for their shiny new American audience... But any such influence won't keep the clown in F1 - he's not going to become a point of pride for American viewers is he...


He's even gone and blamed Bottas for 'being in the way' of his latest accident: https://www.planetf1.com/news/logan-sargeant-valtt...



I don't personally mind if he stays or goes, there is always some humour value in watching someone repeatedly try and fail at something they're hopeless at. But in reality Williams can't afford to keep him, he does way too much damage. For the same reason, no one else wants him.

He's already effectively gone.

Edited by TheDeuce on Monday 25th September 14:15

[ChocolateFrog]

That's the great thing about sport, there's very little room for sentiment.

Oh wait, F1 is entertainment 1st, sport 2nd so a 5yr contract is probably inbound.

[TheDeuce]

ChocolateFrog said:

That's the great thing about sport, there's very little room for sentiment.

Oh wait, F1 is entertainment 1st, sport 2nd so a 5yr contract is probably inbound.

I agree in principle

Whilst we/liberty probably don't mind having a comedy buffoon 'spicing things up'... unfortunately, no team wants one.

Just enjoy the rest of the season

[Scarletpimpofnel]

Presuming Ed said:

World Championships? Wasn't that Mr Latifi

Agreed however, if Williams want to be taken seriously they do need to put someone that can drive into the second seat. They nicked Albon off RB, suggest they do the same with Liam Lawson

(No comparing Logan to Checo needed)

Edited by Presuming Ed on Monday 25th September 14:08

You're right it was Latifi ... another equally useless shouldn't have been their driver! My mistake.

[Scarletpimpofnel]

TheDeuce said:

I agree in principle

Whilst we/liberty probably don't mind having a comedy buffoon 'spicing things up'... unfortunately, no team wants one.

Just enjoy the rest of the season

The thing is for me crashes don't "spice things up", they rob other drivers of hard won advantages that disappear instantly under red flag or safety car. Aggravated by the (imo) stupidity of allowing cars to pit under the safety car. The safety car imo should neither benefit or disadvantage anyone from before it was deployed but right now it can shake everything up unfairly.

Anyway I have managed to get my two gripes out in one thread (Sargeant's crashes and pit stops under the safety car).

[Zetec-S]

I can't see him in the seat next year. My money is on Lawson getting a chance, it would be interesting to see how he performs against Albon. Might be nice to see both Williams in with a chance of picking up a few points.

[TheDeuce]

Scarletpimpofnel said:

TheDeuce said:

I agree in principle

Whilst we/liberty probably don't mind having a comedy buffoon 'spicing things up'... unfortunately, no team wants one.

Just enjoy the rest of the season

The thing is for me crashes don't "spice things up", they rob other drivers of hard won advantages that disappear instantly under red flag or safety car. Aggravated by the (imo) stupidity of allowing cars to pit under the safety car. The safety car imo should neither benefit or disadvantage anyone from before it was deployed but right now it can shake everything up unfairly.

Anyway I have managed to get my two gripes out in one thread (Sargeant's crashes and pit stops under the safety car).

Sadly the sport seems to enjoy safety car and VSC deployment specifically because it DOES reset races, wipe out advantages, swings the story of a race part way through...

These days the decision to go with a full SC as opposed to a VSC seems to be more about which will 'spice up' the race best than it has very much to do with what sort of incident has occurred on track.

to be clear, I'm not suggesting that the sport wants more incidents to spice things up. But when there is an incident these days, the choice of response to that incident is an opportunity to impact the outcome of the session.

[Muzzer79]

Zetec-S said:

I can't see him in the seat next year. My money is on Lawson getting a chance, it would be interesting to see how he performs against Albon. Might be nice to see both Williams in with a chance of picking up a few points.

I'm not sure that Williams will want Lawson on a 1 year deal. They will need to cover off continuity in case Albon leaves for 2025.

Lawson is contracted to Red Bull and they will only want to offer a 1 year loan deal as they will want to cover the Alpha Tauri seat for 2025 in case Yuki jumps to Aston Martin and/or Ricciardo steps up to RBR to replace Perez.

Tough on Lawson - he's done a really good job.

[Zetec-S]

Muzzer79 said:

Zetec-S said:

I can't see him in the seat next year. My money is on Lawson getting a chance, it would be interesting to see how he performs against Albon. Might be nice to see both Williams in with a chance of picking up a few points.

I'm not sure that Williams will want Lawson on a 1 year deal. They will need to cover off continuity in case Albon leaves for 2025.

Lawson is contracted to Red Bull and they will only want to offer a 1 year loan deal as they will want to cover the Alpha Tauri seat for 2025 in case Yuki jumps to Aston Martin and/or Ricciardo steps up to RBR to replace Perez.

Tough on Lawson - he's done a really good job.

Ah true, yes I didn't think of it like that.

I'll still put money on them dropping Sargeant, maybe Mick Schumacher back for 2024...?

[Jasandjules]

ChocolateFrog said:

That's the great thing about sport, there's very little room for sentiment.

Oh wait, F1 is entertainment 1st, sport 2nd so a 5yr contract is probably inbound.

Yup the 21 season confirmed this is a show not a sport.

[C5_Steve]

TheDeuce said:

He'll be done after this season. Liberty no doubt put pressure on in various ways to persuade the selection of an American driver for their shiny new American audience... But any such influence won't keep the clown in F1 - he's not going to become a point of pride for American viewers is he...


He's even gone and blamed Bottas for 'being in the way' of his latest accident: https://www.planetf1.com/news/logan-sargeant-valtt...



I don't personally mind if he stays or goes, there is always some humour value in watching someone repeatedly try and fail at something they're hopeless at. But in reality Williams can't afford to keep him, he does way too much damage. For the same reason, no one else wants him.

He's already effectively gone.

Edited by TheDeuce on Monday 25th September 14:15

I agree with all of this, he's not terrible but he's not covered himself in glory during his rookie season especially compared to others.

I did laugh a lot at his interview where he blamed Bottas for not seeing him, as if Bottas should be covering ready to jump out of the way of a locked-up Williams.

[TheDeuce]

C5_Steve said:

TheDeuce said:

He'll be done after this season. Liberty no doubt put pressure on in various ways to persuade the selection of an American driver for their shiny new American audience... But any such influence won't keep the clown in F1 - he's not going to become a point of pride for American viewers is he...


He's even gone and blamed Bottas for 'being in the way' of his latest accident: https://www.planetf1.com/news/logan-sargeant-valtt...



I don't personally mind if he stays or goes, there is always some humour value in watching someone repeatedly try and fail at something they're hopeless at. But in reality Williams can't afford to keep him, he does way too much damage. For the same reason, no one else wants him.

He's already effectively gone.

Edited by TheDeuce on Monday 25th September 14:15

I agree with all of this, he's not terrible but he's not covered himself in glory during his rookie season especially compared to others.

I did laugh a lot at his interview where he blamed Bottas for not seeing him, as if Bottas should be covering ready to jump out of the way of a locked-up Williams.

“From my side on the incident, I touched the brakes. I’m not sure he must not have seen that. I was never gonna make the corner. I was surprised he didn’t just cut underneath me but it was locked from the second I hit the brake.”

It's bottas's fault

[ChocolateFrog]

It seems like there has to be 1 stand out terrible driver on the grid be it Mazepin, Latifi, Maldonado, Stroll, Sargent.

Most seem to be boiled down to how much money they bring the team or how much exposure they give to F1 in specific countries.

Or outright nepotism obviously but that feeds back into point 1.

Edited by ChocolateFrog on Monday 25th September 15:37

[super7]

TheDeuce said:

C5_Steve said:

TheDeuce said:

He'll be done after this season. Liberty no doubt put pressure on in various ways to persuade the selection of an American driver for their shiny new American audience... But any such influence won't keep the clown in F1 - he's not going to become a point of pride for American viewers is he...


He's even gone and blamed Bottas for 'being in the way' of his latest accident: https://www.planetf1.com/news/logan-sargeant-valtt...



I don't personally mind if he stays or goes, there is always some humour value in watching someone repeatedly try and fail at something they're hopeless at. But in reality Williams can't afford to keep him, he does way too much damage. For the same reason, no one else wants him.

He's already effectively gone.

Edited by TheDeuce on Monday 25th September 14:15

I agree with all of this, he's not terrible but he's not covered himself in glory during his rookie season especially compared to others.

I did laugh a lot at his interview where he blamed Bottas for not seeing him, as if Bottas should be covering ready to jump out of the way of a locked-up Williams.

“From my side on the incident, I touched the brakes. I’m not sure he must not have seen that. I was never gonna make the corner. I was surprised he didn’t just cut underneath me but it was locked from the second I hit the brake.”

It's bottas's fault

He's out of his depth...... Vowles must cringe every time he goes out as to what state the car will come back in..... Constantly out-qualified by Albon and can never match him in the races. Makes you wonder how many points Williams have lost through him.

Bin him off and replace with Lawson.

Funnily enough Lawson & Sargeant were very close in performance in F2!.... Neither of them set the grid alight with their performances!!! But one seems to 'Get it' and the other one doesn't!! How much of that is Japanese Super Formula??

Edited by super7 on Monday 25th September 15:58

[Muzzer79]

Zetec-S said:

Muzzer79 said:

Zetec-S said:

I can't see him in the seat next year. My money is on Lawson getting a chance, it would be interesting to see how he performs against Albon. Might be nice to see both Williams in with a chance of picking up a few points.

I'm not sure that Williams will want Lawson on a 1 year deal. They will need to cover off continuity in case Albon leaves for 2025.

Lawson is contracted to Red Bull and they will only want to offer a 1 year loan deal as they will want to cover the Alpha Tauri seat for 2025 in case Yuki jumps to Aston Martin and/or Ricciardo steps up to RBR to replace Perez.

Tough on Lawson - he's done a really good job.

Ah true, yes I didn't think of it like that.

I'll still put money on them dropping Sargeant, maybe Mick Schumacher back for 2024...?

I agree that he'll probably be dropped, but word is that Williams aren't too enamoured with the prospect of Mick Schumacher either.

Maybe they'll take Drugovich. It's a tough one - nobody is really setting F2 alight at the moment and I think Williams is still carrying a bit of a stigma from the dark years of 2018-2021

[Muzzer79]

super7 said:

Funnily enough Lawson & Sargeant were very close in performance in F2!.... Neither of them set the grid alight with their performances!!! But one seems to 'Get it' and the other one doesn't!! How much of that is Japanese Super Formula??

Relatively common for some drivers to only really 'wake up' when they get a chance in F1.

I recall a certain M Schumacher wasn't really that highly rated in lower formulae until he stepped into a Jordan at Spa in 1991. He did alright in the end

[super7]

[quote]Maybe they'll take Drugovich. It's a tough one - nobody is really setting F2 alight at the moment and I think Williams is still carrying a bit of a stigma from the dark years of 2018-2021
[/quote]

Maybe a bit too early but Bearman is the only real deal in F2 at the moment..... The others are all on their n'th attempt at the class and only then just winning races.... Bearman, considering his age is a cracking talent. Won both German & Italian F4 in the same season, 3rd in GP3 in his first season and four race wins in F2 already, including a clean sweep of Pole, Fastest Lap and race wins in Baku.

[MB140]

Do you think f1 / liberty want bear an in a seat. No doubt he can drive but that would make what 5 British drivers in f1

Hamilton
Russel
Norris
Albon (well half british)

Bear an would be 5

That makes it what a 1/4 of the field.

Mind you motorcycle racing seems to be all Spanish / Italian and it’s not effecting their popularity worldwide.

Either way I would love to see bearman in f1.