Fish Tank

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paul26982

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Friday 6th February 2009
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friend of mine has a basicly brand new tank and all running gear im getting, not masive not small, maybe 4-5ft. heres my question he has tropicla fish, but ben out with the kids today and had seen practicly ever fish off Disney's Finding Nemo, when ive looked they are Marine fish, Clown ETC. am i right you cant mix Marine with tropical, if so why not, and good tips and pointers anyone can give me about keeping and running the setup. Reason for him getting rid his new Mrs is moving in, she doesnt want it,

And clown fish £100 for a pair eek

cazzer

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251 months

Friday 6th February 2009
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Because marine fish live in salt water. Thats what makes them "marines"
Tropical fish live in freshwater.
And thats just the start of the differences in keeping em.

Boozy

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222 months

Friday 6th February 2009
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You can't keep tropical and marine together as marine fish are saltwater, I've kept both and whilst marine fish and corals are harder to look after, they are a million times more attractive, if you're thinking of marines, read, read, read and then read some more - otherwise you'll be throwing money into a big empty hole of death.

Soft Top

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221 months

Friday 6th February 2009
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He can definitely not mix marine and tropical.

It's pretty simple - tropical fish a freshwate, (not salt), and Clown Fish, Nemo, et al are all Marine, (saltwater).

The marine fish will die very quickly and it will be an expensive mistake. If he has a 4-5ft tropical tank I am very worried for his existing fish if he does not know this!

paul26982

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Friday 6th February 2009
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sorry, to point out, they currently not mixed, im just in the dilema that im getting his fish too which are tropic, and im really fancying Marine

Boozy

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Friday 6th February 2009
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I wouldn't say they don't live long, if you look after them properly, they'll live longer than most tropical fish, you just have to do your research. I love my fishtank and everyone who comes round loves to sit and watch the various things going on in there, a well done tank is a work of art.

rhinochopig

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201 months

Friday 6th February 2009
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A friend keeps marine. It would be cheaper for him to run a Friday Afternoon built TVR in all honesty. The costs and effort required are very high. One for the experts really - and even then they'll mysteriously die.

Soft Top

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Friday 6th February 2009
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Boozy said:
I wouldn't say they don't live long
They won't if he sticks the in with the tropical fish!

Edited by Soft Top on Friday 6th February 15:50

paul26982

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Friday 6th February 2009
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also say if i dont want to pull all the money out together for marine and saved, bought all them together. how would i transfer them, obviously get rid of the tropical, is it just a matter the water having to be changed, sorry for all the questions.

Boozy

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Friday 6th February 2009
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confused, are you saying you want to ditch the tropicals and get marines? or how do you transport the tropicals

paul26982

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Boozy said:
confused, are you saying you want to ditch the tropicals and get marines? or how do you transport the tropicals
correct, eventually ditch the tropicals, and about water change for the tank, fresh to salt

rhinochopig

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paul26982 said:
also say if i dont want to pull all the money out together for marine and saved, bought all them together. how would i transfer them, obviously get rid of the tropical, is it just a matter the water having to be changed, sorry for all the questions.
Go and read some books first, then go and talk to some people who have marine tanks before you even consider getting one. In the mean time keep the tank tropical and learn the basics from this.

All you'll do is kill them if you jump straight into warm water marine as they are extremely sensitive to the right lighting, diet, water chemistry, water temp, etc. etc.

Edited by rhinochopig on Friday 6th February 15:56

cazzer

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Friday 6th February 2009
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paul26982 said:
also say if i dont want to pull all the money out together for marine and saved, bought all them together. how would i transfer them, obviously get rid of the tropical, is it just a matter the water having to be changed, sorry for all the questions.
Mate....keeping marines is an order of magnatude harder than keeping tropical fish.
Its more expensive. More time consuming. And you really have to know what you're doing.
Buy a couple of books on keeping marines before you even think about doing anything specific.
Seriously

Boozy

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cazzer said:
paul26982 said:
also say if i dont want to pull all the money out together for marine and saved, bought all them together. how would i transfer them, obviously get rid of the tropical, is it just a matter the water having to be changed, sorry for all the questions.
Mate....keeping marines is an order of magnatude harder than keeping tropical fish.
Its more expensive. More time consuming. And you really have to know what you're doing.
Buy a couple of books on keeping marines before you even think about doing anything specific.
Seriously
Agree with this, fishkeeping is a science, none more so than keeping Marines, start with tropicals so you can learn about water chemistry, worst thing you can do is rush into it as everyone has said, pm me if you need any advice on the tropicals.

BoRED S2upid

19,920 posts

243 months

Friday 6th February 2009
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If your new to keeping fish id start with cold water not marine or tropical. Your just going to kill them all.

paul26982

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Friday 6th February 2009
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right thanks for the advice, so ill just keep the current tropical for a while and use it as a learning curve, maybe then buy myself some off my own tropical. take it, it will be very later down the line for MArine, thanks peeps thumbup

kazste

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201 months

Friday 6th February 2009
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first off surely £100 for a pair of clown fish is a bit pricey, there are differences in a "pair" of clown fish and "paired up" clownfish. for it to be anywhere near this price i would expect best quality "paired up" fish. This is where they are partnered up and have proved happy to be living together. As stated before marine fish are a lot more difficult to keep happy and alive than tropical fish so if it is just going to be a hobby and not an obsetion then i would suggest really thinking as to whether it is worth it. you will need various extra pieces of equipment such as a protein skimmer (at least £150 for a decent one) preferably a wave machine to replicate natural habitat, for clown fish you will need good quality live rock also quite expensive and difficult to know if your getting a good piece or not until later.

Most people like marine either because they want starfish,shrimp and such like or because of the bright and lively colours in comparison to most tropical fish. If you are of the second type then i would suggest you look at a tank full of Lake Malawi Cichlids as can look very spectacular as very brightly coloured tropical fish which are very easy to look after, (would still need to get rid of the other tropical fish as they are evil little b"stards to all but themselves.

If you still want clownfish then read lots of books get used to having the tropical tank to make sure you want the effort and then go for it, it's all good to ask for advice but as long as you can provide a good environment for the fish then you onlu live once so go for it.

Just let us know how it's going, and good luck.

Risotto

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215 months

Friday 6th February 2009
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As Homer discovered, keeping marine and freshwater species in the same tank is a bit trickier than simply adding table salt until they both float upside down at the same level...



Marine tanks are not ideal for beginners really, best to start with freshwater tropical and maybe set up a marine tank after a year or two.




Edited by Risotto on Friday 6th February 16:26

Nolar Dog

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198 months

Friday 6th February 2009
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Discus. wink

Shadytree

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Friday 6th February 2009
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rhinochopig said:
A friend keeps marine. It would be cheaper for him to run a Friday Afternoon built TVR in all honesty. The costs and effort required are very high. One for the experts really - and even then they'll mysteriously die.
yeshehe a friend of mine has a huge marine tank and breeds Sea Horses. He can't take holidays. Last time he left it, his dad killed the lot !