Holly Wiloughby kidnap plot court case
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The court cases has started
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And I am left wondering how he was going to live his mums box room never mind kidnap a celebrity. Jesus he is like the famous Walt from the lough misfits thread.
To escape she could just walk. However not to diminish death threats etc clearly the police felt he is a danger to the public but f me he is going to die in prison likely type 2 diabetes
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And I am left wondering how he was going to live his mums box room never mind kidnap a celebrity. Jesus he is like the famous Walt from the lough misfits thread.
To escape she could just walk. However not to diminish death threats etc clearly the police felt he is a danger to the public but f me he is going to die in prison likely type 2 diabetes
98elise said:
Quite worring that he's attempted similar with other women, so he's not just a fantasist. He's just been unsuccessful to date.
Indeed. The warning signs appear to have been there, but couldn't see any mention of the outcome of his previous attempts after he was caught? Did he "get away" with it then, and so felt emboldened to try something again?
This has to go through the Police and through the CPS before it gets anywhere near the courts.
They won't have done it on a whim.
They won't have done it on a whim.
The BBC said:
Ms Morgan also revealed Mr Plumb had made previous failed kidnap attempts between 2006 and 2008.
She said the defendant had tied a 16-year-old girl's hands with rope and tape and had attempted to force two different women off a train with him with the threat of a gun.
She said the defendant had tied a 16-year-old girl's hands with rope and tape and had attempted to force two different women off a train with him with the threat of a gun.
Chris Peacock said:
Off topic but do they literally just let anyone become a security guard?
I know it's not a highly skilled or difficult job but surely we can do better than a morbidly obese convicted criminal with history of crimes against young women.
Don't judge them all by the "Paul Blart" look. There are a lot of decent ones and some not so active.I know it's not a highly skilled or difficult job but surely we can do better than a morbidly obese convicted criminal with history of crimes against young women.
If an official Security position, they should have passed an SIA test and have a disclosure test (DBS). If he has previous, then he should not have been in position. Was it an official position?
(My Son works as a Security Guard which helped him through Uni and keeps him employed while trying to get a job related to his degree).
There was one who was a bit of an "Andy McNab" Walt type which was quite amusing...
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:BBC Article said:
Ms Wass put it to Mr Nelson that he could see Mr. plumb was "significantly overweight" from the pictures he had been sent.
She suggested this discounted the credibility of Mr Plumbs plan to "jump the outer wall" of Willoughby's house.
Mr. Wass asked "knowing what he looked like and the state of his dimensions" did that cause you to revaluate the credibility of this plan?
She suggested this discounted the credibility of Mr Plumbs plan to "jump the outer wall" of Willoughby's house.
Mr. Wass asked "knowing what he looked like and the state of his dimensions" did that cause you to revaluate the credibility of this plan?
Scotty2 said:
Chris Peacock said:
Off topic but do they literally just let anyone become a security guard?
I know it's not a highly skilled or difficult job but surely we can do better than a morbidly obese convicted criminal with history of crimes against young women.
Don't judge them all by the "Paul Blart" look. There are a lot of decent ones and some not so active.I know it's not a highly skilled or difficult job but surely we can do better than a morbidly obese convicted criminal with history of crimes against young women.
If an official Security position, they should have passed an SIA test and have a disclosure test (DBS). If he has previous, then he should not have been in position. Was it an official position?
(My Son works as a Security Guard which helped him through Uni and keeps him employed while trying to get a job related to his degree).
There was one who was a bit of an "Andy McNab" Walt type which was quite amusing...
Looks like the sentencing of the previous offences were mentioned earlier in the trial:
the article said:
"Gavin Plumb, 37, of Harlow, Essex, previously tried to kidnap women from trains and was convicted for falsely imprisoning two 16-year-old girls in a Woolworths store. The court heard how Plumb unwittingly told an undercover officer of the sentence he received for the latter offence.
“I got sixteen months. Our justice system is s--- tbh,” he allegedly said."
He also told the individual how he was handed a suspended sentence for trying to abduct two air hostesses on a train.
By the looks of the "SIA convictions tool", since the offences were not in the previous 10 years, and the prison sentence was under 48 months he's not automatically disqualified. It says that certain offences are of extra importance no matter when they were committed, but "false imprisonment" isn't really covered, nor would the train offence if it wasn't involving violence or sexual offences. I can see that if he did hold an SIA licence then it could have passed if somebody was just doing it by the book.“I got sixteen months. Our justice system is s--- tbh,” he allegedly said."
He also told the individual how he was handed a suspended sentence for trying to abduct two air hostesses on a train.
That said, he could have been an in-house security guard (eg. at a supermarket or shopping centre), they are not covered by SIA.
Either way, if found guilty I'd have thought he'd now get life, with a minimum of say 20 years?
Silverbullet767 said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:BBC Article said:
Ms Wass put it to Mr Nelson that he could see Mr. plumb was "significantly overweight" from the pictures he had been sent.
She suggested this discounted the credibility of Mr Plumbs plan to "jump the outer wall" of Willoughby's house.
Mr. Wass asked "knowing what he looked like and the state of his dimensions" did that cause you to revaluate the credibility of this plan?
She suggested this discounted the credibility of Mr Plumbs plan to "jump the outer wall" of Willoughby's house.
Mr. Wass asked "knowing what he looked like and the state of his dimensions" did that cause you to revaluate the credibility of this plan?
I half expected people on here to basically say "well look at the size of him he could never do it he's obviously just a walt".
I didn't expect that to be a line of questioning and a possible defence in court.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: This is the bit I struggle with.
I half expected people on here to basically say "well look at the size of him he could never do it he's obviously just a walt".
I didn't expect that to be a line of questioning and a possible defence in court.
Where does one draw the line between fantasy and reality?I half expected people on here to basically say "well look at the size of him he could never do it he's obviously just a walt".
I didn't expect that to be a line of questioning and a possible defence in court.
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