Pulled by a Biker Policeman...NIP sent to wrong address
Discussion
Hi all,
Hope you're all well. I did a search on this but nothing similar seemed to come up.
I am well aware that someone will tell me to pucker up and accept the points/fine. And I may well end up doing that. It's the first one I've had for a while, so it's not catastrophic.
So...
1. I got pulled by a (very nice) biker policeman in early May 2024 and he gave me a FP ticket for 60 in a 50. Showed him my license at the scene.
2. I moved house twice in 2022/23 ..updated both my license and V5C addresses as needed at both those times.
3. I found out that the NIP had been sent to my old address which we had left in Aug 2022.
4. The offence date was 8th May. NIP is dated 17th June.
Qs:
- Are they still bound by the 14 day if it's a pull by a real policeman? Or is that only for a camera?
- Regardless of the above question, is there any get-out here on the basis that they've served it to the wrong address despite the surety (and demonstrable fact) that PNC and DVLA should hold the correct addresses?
Thanks all,
J.
Hope you're all well. I did a search on this but nothing similar seemed to come up.
I am well aware that someone will tell me to pucker up and accept the points/fine. And I may well end up doing that. It's the first one I've had for a while, so it's not catastrophic.
So...
1. I got pulled by a (very nice) biker policeman in early May 2024 and he gave me a FP ticket for 60 in a 50. Showed him my license at the scene.
2. I moved house twice in 2022/23 ..updated both my license and V5C addresses as needed at both those times.
3. I found out that the NIP had been sent to my old address which we had left in Aug 2022.
4. The offence date was 8th May. NIP is dated 17th June.
Qs:
- Are they still bound by the 14 day if it's a pull by a real policeman? Or is that only for a camera?
- Regardless of the above question, is there any get-out here on the basis that they've served it to the wrong address despite the surety (and demonstrable fact) that PNC and DVLA should hold the correct addresses?
Thanks all,
J.
Edited by jezzaaa on Tuesday 25th June 22:52
Edited by jezzaaa on Tuesday 25th June 22:56
jezzaaa said:
Hi all,
Hope you're all well. I did a search on this but nothing similar seemed to come up.
So I am well aware that someone will tell me to pucker up and accept the points/fine. But I think if their process has slipped and I can dodge it then my view is that I should try to. It's the first one I've had for a while, so it's not catastrophic.
So...
1. I got pulled by a (very nice) biker policeman in early May 2024 and he gave me a FP ticket for 60 in a 50. Showed him my license at the scene.
2. I moved house twice in 2022/23 ..updated both my license and V5C addresses as needed at both those times.
3. I found out that the NIP had been sent to my old address which we had left in Aug 2022.
Qs:
- Are they still bound by the 14 day if it's a pull by a real policeman? Or is that only for a camera?
- Regardless of the above question, is there any get-out here on the basis that they've served it to the wrong address despite the surety (and demonstrable fact) that PNC and DVLA should hold the correct addresses?
Thanks all,
J.
Presumably you set up mail forwarding?Hope you're all well. I did a search on this but nothing similar seemed to come up.
So I am well aware that someone will tell me to pucker up and accept the points/fine. But I think if their process has slipped and I can dodge it then my view is that I should try to. It's the first one I've had for a while, so it's not catastrophic.
So...
1. I got pulled by a (very nice) biker policeman in early May 2024 and he gave me a FP ticket for 60 in a 50. Showed him my license at the scene.
2. I moved house twice in 2022/23 ..updated both my license and V5C addresses as needed at both those times.
3. I found out that the NIP had been sent to my old address which we had left in Aug 2022.
Qs:
- Are they still bound by the 14 day if it's a pull by a real policeman? Or is that only for a camera?
- Regardless of the above question, is there any get-out here on the basis that they've served it to the wrong address despite the surety (and demonstrable fact) that PNC and DVLA should hold the correct addresses?
Thanks all,
J.
Whatever, it's yet another great "how can I get out of this?" thread. There should be a separate forum section for these sort of posts.
Sebring440 said:
Presumably you set up mail forwarding?
Whatever, it's yet another great "how can I get out of this?" thread. There should be a separate forum section for these sort of posts.
Why shouldn’t people be allowed to take advantage of their good fortune if the authorities cock it up? It’s hardly letting murderers go free is it? If the taxman undercharges you or the benefits lot overpay you they’ll want their money out of you, why is it so awful for it to work the other way occasionally?Whatever, it's yet another great "how can I get out of this?" thread. There should be a separate forum section for these sort of posts.
Southerner said:
Why shouldn’t people be allowed to take advantage of their good fortune if the authorities cock it up? It’s hardly letting murderers go free is it? If the taxman undercharges you or the benefits lot overpay you they’ll want their money out of you, why is it so awful for it to work the other way occasionally?
I've been on here since it was predominantly a TVR forum, and thought SP&L was for exactly this sort of question. But hey ho, what do I know...Perhaps it's me but I'm a little puzzled.
If as you say you're addresses were up to date etc how did correspondence end up going to an old address. Either your car is still registered to that address but you say you produced your licence to the officer which has your current address I presume.
Secondly for this offence were you issued with a fixed penalty or reported for summons.
If the former there would be no need to send out an NIP as you were spoken to at the time and made aware of the offence.
NIPs are issued to make a driver aware of an offence ie static cameras etc. In that case the NIP is sent to registered keeper for them to nominate a driver.
If your details are up to date how have the authorities obtained a previous address and sent it there.
If as you say you're addresses were up to date etc how did correspondence end up going to an old address. Either your car is still registered to that address but you say you produced your licence to the officer which has your current address I presume.
Secondly for this offence were you issued with a fixed penalty or reported for summons.
If the former there would be no need to send out an NIP as you were spoken to at the time and made aware of the offence.
NIPs are issued to make a driver aware of an offence ie static cameras etc. In that case the NIP is sent to registered keeper for them to nominate a driver.
If your details are up to date how have the authorities obtained a previous address and sent it there.
jezzaaa said:
1. I got pulled by a (very nice) biker policeman in early May 2024 and he gave me a FP ticket for 60 in a 50. Showed him my license at the scene.
3. I found out that the NIP had been sent to my old address which we had left in Aug 2022.
4. The offence date was 8th May. NIP is dated 17th June.
Qs:
- Are they still bound by the 14 day
- is there any get-out here on the basis that they've served it to the wrong address
I got stopped in April3. I found out that the NIP had been sent to my old address which we had left in Aug 2022.
4. The offence date was 8th May. NIP is dated 17th June.
Qs:
- Are they still bound by the 14 day
- is there any get-out here on the basis that they've served it to the wrong address
I paid the fixed penalty notice the officer handed me
Nothing was ever sent to my house.
Fairly sure they don’t need to issue anything else if they have handed you a FPN & spoke to you,
If he gave you a FP ticket did you do anything with it, (like pay & accept it….)
jezzaaa said:
Hi all,
1. I got pulled by a (very nice) biker policeman in early May 2024 and he gave me a FP ticket for 60 in a 50. Showed him my license at the scene.
2. I moved house twice in 2022/23 ..updated both my license and V5C addresses as needed at both those times.
3. I found out that the NIP had been sent to my old address which we had left in Aug 2022.
4. The offence date was 8th May. NIP is dated 17th June.
The first NIP has to be sent within 2 weeks, depending on circumstances ther may be multiple ones as trail of names lead to the driver (ie hire car company -> primary hirer -> secondary driver all get named and their own NIP). The fact the NIP was served on 17th June, if it was the first, then it's ony been served in time if the offence was on or after 3rd June (might even be 4th), so it's either not valid or not related to the offence you think it is. The NIP will say.1. I got pulled by a (very nice) biker policeman in early May 2024 and he gave me a FP ticket for 60 in a 50. Showed him my license at the scene.
2. I moved house twice in 2022/23 ..updated both my license and V5C addresses as needed at both those times.
3. I found out that the NIP had been sent to my old address which we had left in Aug 2022.
4. The offence date was 8th May. NIP is dated 17th June.
The other option is the NIP was sent to an address in good time, and your date of 17th June is when one was finally sent to you at the correct address. That then suggests your address was not updated correctly somewhere, by your or by others, be that your driving licence or more likely the vehicle. The DVLA are second only to the Post Office for their data integrity, so thats possible, but presumably they managed to send you VED letters since Aug 2022
But there does seem something odd here in terms of receiving a NIP at all if you were dealt with at the roadside, so the first thing I'd do is check its refering to the same offence, and if you dealt witht he FP ticket at the time, why are you even getting a NIP? Did you not comply with the FP ticket?
I think more info is needed
Volvo1956 said:
Perhaps it's me but I'm a little puzzled.
If as you say you're addresses were up to date etc how did correspondence end up going to an old address. Either your car is still registered to that address but you say you produced your licence to the officer which has your current address I presume.
Secondly for this offence were you issued with a fixed penalty or reported for summons.
If the former there would be no need to send out an NIP as you were spoken to at the time and made aware of the offence.
NIPs are issued to make a driver aware of an offence ie static cameras etc. In that case the NIP is sent to registered keeper for them to nominate a driver.
If your details are up to date how have the authorities obtained a previous address and sent it there.
Hi there...yes you're quite right...it isn't a NIP ... it's a conditional offer of fixed penalty. It gives me the option of accepting the FP or disputing in court. My bad. But neither the car nor my license addresses are wrong. I gave him my license on the day with the correct address, and he wrote it on the ticket, of which I have the yellow copy. He told me that I would get a letter through the post and it was important that I was there to receive it/respond within the time given - he said that because during the discussion I told him I work away a lot. I have no idea how they've got the address wrong. I've checked the V5C for the car and, as I say, I have my license in front of me with the correct address.If as you say you're addresses were up to date etc how did correspondence end up going to an old address. Either your car is still registered to that address but you say you produced your licence to the officer which has your current address I presume.
Secondly for this offence were you issued with a fixed penalty or reported for summons.
If the former there would be no need to send out an NIP as you were spoken to at the time and made aware of the offence.
NIPs are issued to make a driver aware of an offence ie static cameras etc. In that case the NIP is sent to registered keeper for them to nominate a driver.
If your details are up to date how have the authorities obtained a previous address and sent it there.
Edited by jezzaaa on Wednesday 26th June 07:50
Edited by jezzaaa on Wednesday 26th June 07:51
AndyAudi said:
I got stopped in April
I paid the fixed penalty notice the officer handed me
Nothing was ever sent to my house.
Fairly sure they don’t need to issue anything else if they have handed you a FPN & spoke to you,
If he gave you a FP ticket did you do anything with it, (like pay & accept it….)
That was my take, I thought or it used to be you had a roadside NIP or if the officer had not spoken to you and cautioned you "you will be reported for consideration of prosecution of the offence blah blah,.." then you got a NIP at the road side the 14 days did come into play as you have been served.I paid the fixed penalty notice the officer handed me
Nothing was ever sent to my house.
Fairly sure they don’t need to issue anything else if they have handed you a FPN & spoke to you,
If he gave you a FP ticket did you do anything with it, (like pay & accept it….)
Its been a very long time since I have had/seen a speeding ticket roadside.
Its strange that the address taken at roadside has not been used, its sounds more like two separate tickets and the roadside one has not proceeded.
jezzaaa said:
Hi all,
Qs:
- Are they still bound by the 14 day if it's a pull by a real policeman? Or is that only for a camera?
It does seem odd that the offer was sent to an out of date address when you gave your correct details at the roadside. You might try contacting them to find out why the offer was sent to the wrong address. You could also ask them why you were not offered a course. That speed would qualify provided you have not done one in the last three years and the offence was not in Scotland.Qs:
- Are they still bound by the 14 day if it's a pull by a real policeman? Or is that only for a camera?
As above, check that this FP offer refers to the same offence.
If it does, since you were stopped and warned at the time of the offence, no NIP is required.
If you fail to respond to the fixed penalty offer prosecution in court will follow.
jezzaaa said:
Hi all,
Hope you're all well. I did a search on this but nothing similar seemed to come up.
I am well aware that someone will tell me to pucker up and accept the points/fine. And I may well end up doing that. It's the first one I've had for a while, so it's not catastrophic.
So...
1. I got pulled by a (very nice) biker policeman in early May 2024 and he gave me a FP ticket for 60 in a 50. Showed him my license at the scene.
2. I moved house twice in 2022/23 ..updated both my license and V5C addresses as needed at both those times.
3. I found out that the NIP had been sent to my old address which we had left in Aug 2022.
4. The offence date was 8th May. NIP is dated 17th June.
Qs:
- Are they still bound by the 14 day if it's a pull by a real policeman? Or is that only for a camera?
- Regardless of the above question, is there any get-out here on the basis that they've served it to the wrong address despite the surety (and demonstrable fact) that PNC and DVLA should hold the correct addresses?
Thanks all,
J.
A notice of intended prosecution is not required if you were warned at the time - which you accept happened. I suspect you were issued with a TOR at the roadside. Hope you're all well. I did a search on this but nothing similar seemed to come up.
I am well aware that someone will tell me to pucker up and accept the points/fine. And I may well end up doing that. It's the first one I've had for a while, so it's not catastrophic.
So...
1. I got pulled by a (very nice) biker policeman in early May 2024 and he gave me a FP ticket for 60 in a 50. Showed him my license at the scene.
2. I moved house twice in 2022/23 ..updated both my license and V5C addresses as needed at both those times.
3. I found out that the NIP had been sent to my old address which we had left in Aug 2022.
4. The offence date was 8th May. NIP is dated 17th June.
Qs:
- Are they still bound by the 14 day if it's a pull by a real policeman? Or is that only for a camera?
- Regardless of the above question, is there any get-out here on the basis that they've served it to the wrong address despite the surety (and demonstrable fact) that PNC and DVLA should hold the correct addresses?
Thanks all,
J.
Later in the thread, you said a Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty was sent to the wrong address. That isn’t any kind of defence. Either pay it and submit your licence / licence details as requested or court proceedings will be commenced.
Responder.First said:
Its been a very long time since I have had/seen a speeding ticket roadside.
Its strange that the address taken at roadside has not been used,
My own experience was a police Scotland traffic stop & I was actually impressed how efficient/modern it was.Its strange that the address taken at roadside has not been used,
The Last time I was stopped it was carbon paper tickets
This time they took my driving license & then knew all about me using a handheld device that printed out a “till receipt” ticket with all the details on it which I brought to court office & paid.
agtlaw said:
A notice of intended prosecution is not required if you were warned at the time - which you accept happened. I suspect you were issued with a TOR at the roadside.
Later in the thread, you said a Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty was sent to the wrong address. That isn’t any kind of defence. Either pay it and submit your licence / licence details as requested or court proceedings will be commenced.
Thanks man...yeah I suspected as much. Later in the thread, you said a Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty was sent to the wrong address. That isn’t any kind of defence. Either pay it and submit your licence / licence details as requested or court proceedings will be commenced.
jezzaaa said:
My hope weren't high, but it was worth an ask. Cheers BC.
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